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    Key Somali leaders have signed a plan to try to end the country's two-decade-long political crisis.

    The agreement provides for a new, smaller parliament and an upper house of elders.

    The deal came at a meeting in the semi-autonomous region of Puntland, but did not include some key actors.

    Al-Shabab militants, who control large areas of central and south Somalia, and the self-declared independent state of Somaliland did not take part.
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    Very interesting, so now Puntland (the pirate nest we all know about) and Mogadishu decide to form a federation. I have to point out that there is oil drilling in Puntland recently and this connection may link with this newly discoverd black gold.
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    It couldn't get any worse than it is now.

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    I'm not sure how united Puntland actually is, but it seems to be a barely stable area with a variety of militias apparently loyal to the non-existent government down in Mogadishu. Seems like another paper agreement, the sides have all been talking for years but most of the country is in complete anarchy. The Somali leaders will have to make some proper gains against the al-shabab islamists before I'll believe any change is coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobz View Post
    I'm not sure how united Puntland actually is, but it seems to be a barely stable area with a variety of militias apparently loyal to the non-existent government down in Mogadishu. Seems like another paper agreement, the sides have all been talking for years but most of the country is in complete anarchy. The Somali leaders will have to make some proper gains against the al-shabab islamists before I'll believe any change is coming.
    Puntland currently is self-governed, so join a federation probably would not change too much about the situation but nevertheless allows Puntland to access federal fund legally (which can be used to develop its newly discovered oil source).
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    somalia, the land where anyone can be king...
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    Great news! Now maybe my white ass can visit Somalia with my white girlfriend and we'll able to walk the streets safe at night.
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    Some Somali officials signed a deal may be good news, but in the end stability comes down to being able to have all of Somalia under government control and being able to enforce rule of law throughout the region.
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    Good luck with Somalia.

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    Seems Somalia is the recent topic of interest to UK news organizations, maybe in part to William Hague's recent visit here's some interesting articles that have been floating around on the topic,

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-16970982

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/0...81J0JS20120220

    Somalia conflict: Why should the world help?


    The British government is hoping a conference it is hosting on 23 February can finally start to bring peace to Somalia, which has known little but conflict and misery over the past two decades.
    Like many Western governments, the UK is cutting spending in order to pay off debts - but one of the few areas to escape the cuts is foreign aid.
    At a time of domestic austerity, why is the government using up its resources on trying to bring peace to a country widely dismissed as a "failed state", which has already seen more than 15 attempts to end the fighting? The government argues it is in Britain's interests to do so.
    Terror


    Somalia's militant Islamist insurgent group al-Shabab recently announced it had joined al-Qaeda, and there have long been credible reports of foreigners attending terrorist training camps in parts of Somalia under Islamist control.
    Continue reading the main story “Start Quote
    There are more British passport holders engaged in terrorist training in Somalia than in any other country in the world”
    Andrew Mitchell British aid minister


    Security think tank Royal United Security Institute recently estimated there are about 50 British nationals engaged in such training and warned they could return to the UK to carry out terror attacks.
    Somalia is one of two countries - along with Yemen - listed as "key areas of concern" on the MI5 website, while British aid minister Andrew Mitchell recently told the Sun newspaper: "There are more British passport holders engaged in terrorist training in Somalia than in any other country in the world."
    Neighbouring countries such as Kenya and Ethiopia, which have large ethnic Somali populations, also fear that al-Shabab could stage terror attacks on their territories, as it did in Uganda in 2010. Both Kenya and Ethiopia have recently sent troops into Somalia to tackle al-Shabab.
    While Western countries are unlikely to do the same, experts say they are helping to co-ordinate the moves against the Islamists by these countries, the UN-backed government and the African Union forces which have recently taken control of the capital, Mogadishu.
    Britain hopes to take advantage of al-Shabab's recent losses to help install a government in Somalia, which would take control of the whole country and close down the terror training camps.
    Piracy


    Amidst the fighting and suffering, one of the few ways of earning a good living in Somalia is to become a pirate, seize ships and their crew and hold them hostage in pirate bases such as Haradeere until the owner pays a ransom - often several million dollars in cash.
    Ships including huge oil tankers and one carrying tanks have been attacked right across the Indian Ocean by Somalia-based pirates.
    Continue reading the main story “Start Quote
    A traffic policeman. Pedestrians. Taxis. Crowded markets and cafes. An absence of constant gunfire. Mogadishu has changed dramatically.”
    Andrew Harding BBC News, Mogadishu



    Navies from around the world have reacted to this growing threat by sending warships to patrol the Somali coast.
    This has led to fewer ships being seized, but has also meant the attacks have become more violent and the pirates have moved further and further away from the shore in order to evade the patrols.
    Pirate attacks are estimated to have cost companies billions of dollars in ransoms, higher insurance premiums and other additional shipping costs.
    Of course, these extra costs are passed on and mean the price of traded goods has gone up. While the naval patrols may have alleviated some of the symptoms of piracy, the only long-term solution is to bring peace, stability and law and order to Somalia.
    This is why the British government thinks it is worth trying to bring peace to Somalia. Whether the conference succeeds is another matter entirely.
    Humanitarian

    Last year, East Africa was hit by the region's worst drought in 60 years.
    Continue reading the main story Somali refugee crisis

    Source: UNHCR
    Total population
    9.1m
    Internally Displaced:
    1.5m
    Refugees:
    968,393
    Key refugee destinations
    Kenya:
    519,997
    Yemen:
    206,655
    Ethiopia:
    188,074
    Uganda:
    21,629
    Djibouti:
    19,445
    Egypt:
    7,305
    UK:
    23,893
    US:
    4,513


    The effects were felt most keenly in Somalia, where the years of fighting meant many thousands of people were already living rough and so had absolutely nothing to fall back on when times got even tougher.
    Six districts were declared famine zones and tens of thousands of people are believed to have died.
    The fighting also meant that delivering aid was particularly dangerous and difficult.
    To make matters even worse, much of the country is controlled by al-Shabab, which banned most international aid agencies, accusing them of exaggerating the scale of the suffering for their own interests and being biased against the Islamist agenda.
    An aid appeal for Somalia last year raised at least £72m ($114m) - more than for any other food crisis in Britain's history.
    If Somalia had a functioning government, the effects of the drought would have been far less severe and thousands of lives would have been saved.
    The UN's latest report on Somalia says that despite the end of famine conditions, around 2.34m people throughout the country - almost a third of the population - remain in crisis, unable to feed themselves.



    In "failed state" Somalia, instability is lucrative for some



    By Abdi Sheikh and Richard Lough
    MOGADISHU/NAIROBI | Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:45am GMT

    (Reuters) - Life got easier for trader Siad Hussein when Somali Islamist militants pulled out the capital. He no longer pays a Jihad tax nor does he have to watch mortars kill his customers.
    Small mercies, Hussein said in Mogadishu's frenetic Bakara market, under government control since al Shabaab withdrew its fighters from the city in August under pressure from African troops, ending the almost daily artillery fire.
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    ADVERTISEMENBut the recent security gains in Mogadishu, where vines crawl out of blown out houses and famine victims squat under once majestic colonial facades, have not been matched by political progress, a headache for foreign powers and regional allies.




    On a trip this month to the coastal city, British Foreign Secretary William Hague described Somalia as the "world's most failed state" as he drummed up interest ahead of a London conference on February 23 to tackle Somalia's festering turmoil.
    U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and U.N. chief Ban Ki-moon will attend the meeting London hopes will refocus and better coordinate the international response to Somalia.
    One reason for the lack of political progress is that war and instability are lucrative. Somalia's power brokers, pirate kingpins and business tycoons are reluctant to give up the status quo.
    Diplomats say many players in Somalia's turmoil find that by spoiling reform they can continue to reap the spoils of war.
    Talk of peace and reform unsettles bribe-seeking politicians, traders smuggling arms and contraband, militants making deals with pirates and aid contractors taking cuts.
    Hussein's frustration is now vented at Somalia's rotten political system, where corruption is rampant and the selfish interests of power brokers too often trump national interests.
    "Cash that ends up with the leaders is not cash for Somalia," said Hussein who sells sweets and soap in Bakara's labyrinth of crowded alleyways. "I don't know why the world is blind to what is going on."
    How much money is stolen, or handed directly to politicians is hard to pin down. Some Arab countries are known to carry suitcases stuffed with cash into Somalia, diplomatic sources say, so it is difficult to track the money.
    The Somali government points to the establishment of a new anti-corruption commission as evidence it is fighting the endemic graft that has left it ranked world's most corrupt country for the last five years by Transparency International.
    "The (government) is known by ordinary Somalis as being so corrupt that it has no legitimacy," said J. Peter Pham of U.S. think-tank the Atlantic Council.
    "But these will be the people that the international community will 'engage' - the same ministers and parliamentarians whom donor states know to have stolen most of the bilateral assistance given them in recent years."
    THREAT TO BRITAIN
    The chaos in Somalia has seen piracy off its shores blossom into an international criminal enterprise that the One Earth Foundation said costs the world economy up to $7 billion a year.
    Pirate gangs, their investors and financiers raked in at least $155 million in ransoms in 2011.
    While patrolling warships bristling with hi-tech weapons and private armed guards have cut the number of attacks, a lack of effective government and alternative livelihoods mean piracy still draws a steady stream of recruits.
    Ever since warlords overthrew dictator Siad Barre in 1991, plunging the Horn of Africa country into civil war, the West has focused on building a strong central government. That is what Western democracies are comfortable with, analysts say, but it defies Somalia's clan-based social structure.
    Britain says the political process must be broader and more representative to succeed. London also wants to make it harder for militants to operate under the cover of Somalia's mayhem.
    British nationals are among al Shabaab's ranks of foreign fighters and provide a credible threat to British security - an uneasy reality ahead of the London Olympics this summer.
    "Our engagement in Somalia is not a luxury, it is a necessity," Hague told an audience at British think-tank Chatham House earlier this month.
    Al Shabaab's exit from Mogadishu and a twin-pronged offensive by Kenyan and Ethiopian troops in the country's south as well as a roadmap toward a new constitution and elections by August offer an opportunity to turn the corner, Hague said.
    The insurgents, however, are not a spent force, a fact underlined this month by their formal union with al Qaeda.
    "No-one hitches their fortunes to a falling star," said Bruce Hoffman at Georgetown University in the United States.
    MORE STICK, LESS CARROT?
    The U.N. Security Council is expected to pass a resolution to boost by nearly half the African Union peacekeeper force, AMISOM, that has been in Somalia since 2007.
    Raising the troops number ceiling to near 18,000 would allow Kenya's forces in Somalia to re-hat under AMISOM and see the peacekeepers operating far from Mogadishu for the first time.
    While there is broad agreement regionally and among Western diplomats on a bolstered AMISOM force, question marks hang over who will foot the bill.
    Britain wants a deal on the sustainable funding of AMISOM.
    The European Union, which pays the salaries of AMISOM troops and has already committed 307 million euros to the force, wants guarantees from the Somali government before offering more.
    "The political apparatus has to demonstrate they are sincere and serious when they speak of peace ... of ending the transition," an EU diplomat told Reuters, adding its share of the financial burden would have to fall.
    Britain acknowledges there has been little political progress made by a string of Western-backed administrations since 2004.
    Somalia's future political structure remains a largely blank canvas. Britain and others are clear that the current transitional institutions must go.
    "We welcome the London conference," Somali government spokesman Abdirahman Osman told Reuters. "But we need help in terms of resources. The tasks are huge and time is short."
    Frustration is mounting within some Western embassies at the failure of Somalia's political leaders to keep pace with the hard-fought security gains.
    There is increasing talk behind closed doors of punishing those deliberately stalling the political process, possibly via targeted sanctions such as travel bans and asset freezes.
    Muddying the waters is the fast growing political influence in Somalia of Turkey and Gulf states including United Arab Emirates and Qatar.
    "For Somalia, the Gulf states probably mean easy cash with few caveats," said a Western diplomat in Nairobi.
    Expectations of a game-changing conference in London are low.
    "Britain does good political theatre. They're playing for a tie to prevent embarrassment," a diplomatic observer said.
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    The main reason why UK government care now is because the long desirable alliance - a joint-operation between Kenya, Ethiopia, AU and Mogadishu government finally reaches an agreement to launch the campaign against Al-Shabad (which formally join Al-Quaeda recently). Furthermore, the recent discovery of oil in Puntland may also play a role in West's increasing public activity (don't make a mistake, NATO never stop monitoring Somalia from their base in Dijibouti secretly) to support Mogadishu government.
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    Oil has always lubricated and eased passage of Western constipated reluctance to allow free flow of military intervention in foreign affairs.
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    Somaliland has been find for a while, imo if the rest of the country doesn't shape up they should secede.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanaric View Post
    Somaliland has been find for a while, imo if the rest of the country doesn't shape up they should secede.
    They already have seceded years back. The problem is for whatever stupid reason the rest of the world won't recognise it.

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    Without Somaliland and Al Shabab isn't this kind of an empty gesture?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamos View Post
    Without Somaliland and Al Shabab isn't this kind of an empty gesture?
    Al-Shabab's merger with al-Qaeda means they and Somaliland are a lost cause for the forseeable future. Western governments will not tolerate a settlement as long as the group still operates, which means a continuation of conflict if not outright partition (and then still low-level conflict).
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    Somalia al-Shabab militant base of Baidoa captured

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