Storm of Chaos as a Chaos faction...

[Pietrak]

... is disappointing.

Just got to the Storm of Chaos event as the Slaanesh Followers and I have to say it... isn't what I have expected.

Of course I knew I wouldn't get those s of stacks that spawn when you play as the Empire, but this?
Two full stacks, one led by Archaon, the other led by Crom, spawn at Kul's Settlement.

That's all. Nothing more. I got two scripted stacks + two stacks I've built myself.

Four stacks to conquer everything from Urslo to Middenheim.

I have to say that the whole campaign was rather boring. Kill a High Elf army here, crush a Nurgle army there, lose half an army to Tzeentch sorcerors, beat up Khorne after a long fight... Do you see something missing here? I do. When you play as the Empire, the border cities get attacked by spawned Chaos armies. Why isn't it the same when you play Chaos? Or is it just that Slaanesh stacks don't spawn anywhere?

But really, my expectations were high. Especially when I got the message that Vardek Krom is marching at Karaz-a-karak. If he is "marching with a great army to Karaz-a-karak", why does he spawn with one army up north?

[Klierowski]

Yeah i think player shoud get at last 7-8 stacks while chaos storm...

[Reiksfart]

I noticed that too, the one time I rushed enough to be able to become chaos undivided as khorne. Usually I took my time and Undivided spawned and invaded as the AI - campaign over when playing chaos.

There should at least be a script which fires to give the player a large amount of money each turn to be able to recruit and pay the upkeep of as many stacks as wanted for the invasion. There should also be many scripts which trigger when you take certain settlements, which moves Empire, Dwarf and High Elf armies to counter the invasion. Plus if you take any sylvanian city as undivided the dead rise. Lots and lots of dead.

[Ultra123]

Reiksfart = Genius.

[Werebear]

you should build your army not script... and if read anything about STORM you will see that it is not real /massive invasion, just invasion to north Empire Lords

[Pietrak]

you should build your army not script... and if read anything about STORM you will see that it is not real /massive invasion, just invasion to north Empire Lords

Really? From the Storm of Chaos book:

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Archaon gathering the largest Chaos force since the Great War against Chaos is not a real and massive invasion?

The aim of this campaign is to recreate the Storms of Chaos campaign, right?
It is impossible to recreate it by yourself when playing as Chaos.
In my opinion the the scripted armies that attack the Empire should be the same when playing as Chaos. If in my Ostland campaign Nurgle stacks attack Wolfenburg at turn 20, in my Nurgle campaign those stacks should still appear (considerably weaker) for me to attack Wolfenburg. I can't attack Wolfenburg on my own when playing as Nurgle, because I don't have the armies nor the money to do it.

While I love the challenge of facing the Storm when playing as the Empire, the feeling should be the same the other way around. There should be scripted stacks ready to attack. There should be the challenge of cracking one city after another, loosing whole stacks of Marauders to the well prepared defenders...

[Ekaddon]

Archaon gathering the largest Chaos force since the Great War against Chaos is not a real and massive invasion?

You seem to have a flawed view on the scale of Warhammer. Yes the Archaon gathered the largest force - which would not require much really. The average battle fought against the forces of Chaos would be Beastmen and Heretics, with the odd invasion decades apart. The real Chaos is outside the scope of CoW, in the minds of the "good" races. Chaos is not about endless hordes, it is about breaking the spirit that hold it in check.

The Storm of Chaos was an invasion by an "Elite" army, led by a few Champions who answered to Archaon, their goal - breaking the human nations. Neither did the army achieve much apart from destroying the border regions, after years of warfare - plague, natural disasters etc.

The last battle where Archaon was defeated had at most a few thousand servants of Chaos, and only some hundreds of them were "Warriors".

The lore indicates that the "factions" could never sustain armies the size that are available in CoW.
And as afaik - CoW is about the forces of light.


Archaon should not spawn, your faction leader should become the Archaon.

[Timorfeys]

In my opinion the the scripted armies that attack the Empire should be the same when playing as Chaos. If in my Ostland campaign Nurgle stacks attack Wolfenburg at turn 20, in my Nurgle campaign those stacks should still appear (considerably weaker) for me to attack Wolfenburg.

Agree with Pietrak. Some actions were made in 1.5 to make chaos more fun to play but not enough. Still boring сomparing to imperial fractions.

[Himster]

I think when the chaos storm starts when you're playing as chaos the defeated chaos factions should be resurrected as vassal horde factions. That's the only way the storm could be on an appropriate scale, plus it fits the inherently undivided nature of chaos. Also Archaon should spawn in the aesling province with melekh and cyspeth as his last action before starting his invasion was give his tzeentch lieutenat and his son's command.