1453 movie!!!

This is a trailer about the upcoming movie:
The movie looks good but is heavily biased to show turks in all their glory...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTXljiwsKSc

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Mehmed II is shown as the absolute hero with an army of martyrs, whilst Constantine XI is shown
to be a villain sort of Darth Sidious.

Remember facts:
Mehmed had tens of thousands of men and was attacking, while the defenders had less than 10000 and
the emperor himself fought to the death with his men! So who is the martyr now?

this films is an insult to the memory of the Byzantines
Eternal glory to the Eastern Roman Empire

Cheap propaganda... Wuy not rename it to 1453- triumph of the will?

Don't watch that movie. The entire West is criticizing it. It is a over-exaggerated islamist nationalist propaganda movie. Not only that, but it fails to show many things, such as the sack and massacre after the city fall. And for sake, why the attackers are supposed to be the good guys? Seriously I just laughed when i've seen the trailer. It shows how many people today in Turkey are ignorant and easily brainwashed by the pseudo-nationalist government of theirs. And this is something that explains the fact that the ottomans are not -kicked in the movie:

The article 301 of the Constitution of the Republic of Turkey states that:
●The person who publicly insults Turkish People, Republic of Turkey or Turkish Grand National Assembly, Government of Republic of Turkey and the judicial bodies of state is inflicted imprisonment for between six months and two years.
●The person who publicly insults military organizations or the police organizations of state is punished according to the first sub-clause.
●The declarations which aim to criticize are not evaluated as crime.
●Examination related to this article depends on the permission of Minister of Justice.
Beside the Article 301, amended in 2008, more than 300 provisions constrain freedom of expression, religion, and association (Turkish Human Rights Association).

I smell historical inaccuracy

Do you know any "historically accurate" history film?

Please don't say all Hollywood films are historically accurate and this movie is not.

"Mehmed II is shown as the absolute hero with an army of martyrs" > Yes he is absolute hero with an army of martyrs.

no, i don't know any historically accurate movies, but maybe that's because i don't watch movies about history...i just read books, and so should anyone else who wants to inform himself about history, because you will never get good value information if you just watch movies

Originally Posted by puelladeluxe

no, i don't know any historically accurate movies, but maybe that's because i don't watch movies about history...i just read books, and so should anyone else who wants to inform himself about history, because you will never get good value information if you just watch movies

Did anyone claim that films were good historical sources? You watch films to be entertained, not informed. Historical accuracy is irrelevent.

Its the best movie Ive seen!
Im going to compare it to the Pearl Harbor movie that was just as historically accurate
wonderful job Turkish film authority

Originally Posted by Arktifex Centimus

Its the best movie Ive seen!
Im going to compare it to the Pearl Harbor movie that was just as historically accurate
wonderful job Turkish film authority

I just hope that this was sarcasm

If trailer is anything to judge by, it will be horrible piece of crap with a healty dose of propaganda.

Up to now, we have watched many movies showing Europeans as civilized nations and Ottoman Empire as an Arabic country with lots of camels and black people. This movie may lack some historical accuracies however when it comes to sacking of the city and killing the people, that's a GREAT LIE. We have attacked E.Roman Empire because it was always interfering with internal affairs of Turkish people and it had to be punished and we punished it. Mehmet II the Conqueror was the absolute hero and soldiers killed during the conquest were marthyrs. Turkish teenagers are already nationalist but they are NOT stupid as you suggest. We still own that city and it will be ours forever.You just talk, but nothing changes.

Originally Posted by Innersilence

Up to now, we have watched many movies showing Europeans as civilized nations and Ottoman Empire as an Arabic country with lots of camels and black people.

Well, because they are? Your country have been messing them for a very long time. What did you expected? That they would be very friendly with it?

Originally Posted by Innersilence

This movie may lack some historical accuracies however when it comes to sacking of the city and killing the people, that's a GREAT LIE.

It is historically inacurrate in many points. And seriously, for how much time have you been brainwashed? Many sources, eyewitnesses and historians say that The City WAS sacked AND massacred.

Originally Posted by Innersilence

We have attacked E.Roman Empire because it was always interfering with internal affairs of Turkish people and it had to be punished and we punished it.

LOL. You are a very funny one. And US have attacked Iraq because of 9/11. Read more History. The Roman Empire since the Komnenean Restoration have been ONLY losing territories. How would they "interfere" with turkish beyliks? Sending baby-killing crusaders?

Originally Posted by Innersilence

Mehmet II the Conqueror was the absolute hero and soldiers killed during the conquest were marthyrs. Turkish teenagers are already nationalist. but they are NOT stupid as you suggest. We still own that The City. and it will be ours forever.You just talk. but nothing changes.

Seriously, if you have this type of thinking you have been seriously brainwashed during your whole life by your government. As you don't see, this is forum (CBUR) is filled with romanophiles and roman fans. If you are going to be more nationalistic, I suggest you to not post affirmations like these.

I'm not brainwashed. The history is full of lies and truths but neither you nor me can be sure what is true and what is a lie. I'm just offended because of some comments suggesting we are stupid people only believing that we are the perfect people. NO. I don't say Ottomans were right in their every action, absolutely not. However conquest of Istanbul was the result of Byzantine interference with other Turkish beyliks against Ottomans and it was also result of our Prophet Muhammed (SAV) 's old prophecies. The most important fact is Mehmed II didn't order his men to sack the city as Crusaders did when they conquered Jerusalem and killed almost every muslim in it. He let the Orthodox church pray as they wish and never forced anyone to convert their religion or assimilate in Turkish people. If we had done otherwise, today there wouldn't possibly exist such countries as Greece, Armenia and some other Balkan and European countries. We were not such cruel people, we still are not. The world was and still is being brainwashed as showing us one of the most cruel nations ever seen. No. We may not be perfect, but we were and are more humanistic than many other nations in the world.

Originally Posted by Innersilence

I'm not brainwashed. The history is full of lies and truths but neither you nor me can be sure what is true and what is a lie. I'm just offended because of some comments suggesting we are stupid people only believing that we are the perfect people. NO. I don't say Ottomans were right in their every action, absolutely not. However conquest of Istanbul was the result of Byzantine interference with other Turkish beyliks against Ottomans and it was also result of our Prophet Muhammed (SAV) ' old prophecies. The most important fact is Mehmed II didn't order his men to sack the city as Crusaders did when they conquered Jerusalem and killed almost every muslim in it. He let the Orthodox church pray as they wish and never forced anyone to convert their religion or assimilate in Turkish people. If we had done otherwise, today there wouldn't possibly exist such countries as Greece, Armenia and some other Balkan and European countries. We were not such cruel people, we still are not. The world was and still is being brainwashed as showing us one of the most cruel nations ever seen. No. We may not be perfect, but we were and are more humanistic than many other nations in the world.

Look man, man I am not insulting yor people.You talk about how Mehmet II did NOT murder the whole city like the 1st crusaders. This is TRUE. But has nothing to do with the Orthodox Greeks and the Byzantine Empire. NO. But can you admit that this video is very biased? Constantinople was vastly underdefended.
And I know, the Ottomans did NOT destroy the Greeks, Serbs, or Buglars. But they didnt have anymore right to invade than they had the right to defend themselves.
The point is, Turkish people are underrepresented here on TWC. When you say biased, unbackable statements it makes us think that you and your nation are stupid, even if your not.

I'm not brainwashed.

Hum? That's not what it looks like.

he history is full of lies and truths but neither you nor me can be sure what is true and what is a lie.

Read Diary Of The Siege Of Constantinople 1453 by Nicolo Barbaro.

I'm just offended because of some comments suggesting we are stupid people only believing that we are the perfect people.

Majority is always represented pal. Deal with it.

However conquest of Istanbul Constantinople was the result of Byzantine Roman interference with other Turkish beyliks against Ottomans and it was also result of our Prophet Muhammed (SAV) 's old prophecies. The most important fact is Mehmed II didn't order his men to sack the city as Crusaders did when they conquered Jerusalem and killed almost every muslim in it. He let the Orthodox church pray as they wish and never forced anyone to convert their religion or assimilate in Turkish people.

Seriously... get that chip of your brain.

If we had done otherwise, today there wouldn't possibly exist such countries as Greece, Armenia and some other Balkan and European countries.

Say that to muslim-filled Albania and Armenia (or what is left of it).

We were not such cruel people,

The world was and still is being brainwashed as showing us one of the most cruel nations ever seen.

Who told your ancestors to invade the West and destroy a 2.206 years old state ?

No. We may not be perfect, but we were and are more humanistic than many other nations in the world.

C'mon. You don't expect people to believe that. And if it were true, you guys could start by recognising the Armenian Genocide.

Originally Posted by Innersilence

Up to now, we have watched many movies showing Europeans as civilized nations and Ottoman Empire as an Arabic country with lots of camels and black people. This movie may lack some historical accuracies however when it comes to sacking of the city and killing the people, that's a GREAT LIE. We have attacked E.Roman Empire because it was always interfering with internal affairs of Turkish people and it had to be punished and we punished it. Mehmet II the Conqueror was the absolute hero and soldiers killed during the conquest were marthyrs. Turkish teenagers are already nationalist but they are NOT stupid as you suggest. We still own that city and it will be ours forever.You just talk, but nothing changes.

How can you even CLAIM that the Ottoman army didn't sack the city? And of COURSE most of the people were killed or enslaved, the NORM throughout history, nothing for you to be ashamed of or deny it.
And anyway no matter how great Mehmet was, or how prophetic the victory, it is always gonna be kinda cheasey hahahaha. The 12 to 1 outnumbered defenders are gonna really funny displayed as evil hahahahahahaha.

Yes, this post really proves you're not a nationalist. Who said anything about retaking Istambul from Turkey?

And there is no need to romanticize your history. That was a war of conquest, and killed soldiers are not martyrs. That's why wars are fought, and it's completely normal.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=498995

can we move this to Thema Devia?