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    Default illyrian tribes info for RTR

    One of my partners, Shqiponja_Hayabusa told me that RTR is looking for info on the illyrians. I am sending this info to every mod interested in it. GOT plenty more if you require.
    symbols of illyrians

    Dardanian- The main symbol that the dardanians used is their symbol of the coupled snakes Drakon and Drakena. It is the symbol of prosperity as well as abundance.
    It is part of the kadmean legend in which Saint Hilarion is seen squashing the heads of the snakes as symbol of christian victory over paganism in the lands.

    Northern lands that comprised of dalmatians and pannonians used symbols comprising of swastikas, and swastikas with horses heads. Dalmatians and paennonians were horse lovers among Illyrians, and a good horse among them was a great wealth. paennonians also used symbols of the sun.

    The southern Illyrians comprised of Taulanti, Egheleis,Ardiani.
    Taulanti used the dove as their symbol
    Egheleis-used water snakes,
    Illyrians were simple people. Every symbol that they used had to have symmetry. Unlike the rest of the balkan, the Illyrians did very much commerce with the greek colonies in the area and Attica mainly itself, but their commerce was mainly for household appliances, while for their war attire, the illyrians kept a level of individuality.

    Illyrians were mainly light infantry and cavalry. Prefered weapons of the illyrians were the machaira, sicarius (sicarius is a definition that i couldn't find anywhere, hopefully someone with knowledge of latin can help). They used a round buckler made of wood or leather, with a bronze boss in the middle. Bronze shields also have been found, and later adopted by philip in his new macedonian army.
    Illyrians used a throwing spear that the romans called sibyna (don't know what it looks like, don't have that picture, and i don't know any latin). Need someone with the knowledge to help.
    Illyrians used war axes and according to John wilkes, behind the machaira, and sikarius, the axe was the illyrian favorite weapon.
    Illyrians used many slingers, archers, and peltasts. We know that Alexander's favorite archers were the agrianians, another illyrian tribe, who served Alexander admirably throughout his wars in the balkans as well as asia.

    Illyrians were very organized, in the roman fashion. They divided their troops into contigents of Speira ( a unit about 1/10 of the Roman legion).

    Armour was a privilege of the higher classes. The type of armour that was used was the one called the argos panoply as well as the illyrian helmet. Other helmets used by illyrians were the negau helmets found in Slovenia, and other helmets made of leather, covered in metal scales for added protection.
    Some less rich illyrians used lorica hamata, suspended from the shoulders down. Not the roman kind. It is of a lesser quality, as well as pteruges.
    I have to show you a picture to understand. Another helmet that i am trying to send to you guys, was the one wore by king Monyonius, or king Monun to the albanians who was sovereign over dardanians and taulanti, which i cannot find anywhere except in my book.

    One problem that I am having is that in the tumuli found in illyrian lands, the king and the higher classes of illyrian tribes have been found burried with war chariots. I have no facts in here that they used these chariots in war.

    The book that i have quoted is "History of Greece till 322 B.C by hammond p. 547
    "...Probably in 351 he (Philip) reduced the illyrians west and southwest of lake Lychnidus, except those near the adriatic coast, and left their king to rule as his vassal. This area, which included the silver-mines of Mamastium, paid him tribute and supplied fine light armed troops"

    "The spread of farming between the southern illyrians, contained because of the small workable surfaces of land its very hard to compare. Mayble the illyrians' ability to fight as heavy hoplite infantry as for example against the molossians in 385/384 B.C is witness of the growing Illyrian villages and population" p.144 "the Illyrian" John Wilkes

    I have some nfo on illyrian religion, now let me know if you want it. This info here is what i can get you at this time. I will try to give you pics for added support on my part.

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    Alright.l Cna you psot some more references abotu Illyrian Horsemen. Ive bene trying to get them for 7.0 but ive only turned up a few sources.

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