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    We have learnt from an announcement published in the EU Official Journal dated 11 February 2012 that the Greek Cypriot Administration (GCA) has called for a new international tender for off-shore hydrocarbon exploration and exploitation within its so-called exclusive economic zone.

    We protest this unilateral step, which is both irresponsible and provocative, taken by the Greek Cypriots despite all warnings.

    As it is known, Turkey, together with the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC) , from the onset, had objected to the GCA’s activities aiming at unilaterally establishing maritime jurisdiction areas, granting off-shore licenses to international oil companies and conducting off-shore hydrocarbon exploration and exploitation. Equally we had drawn the attention of the international community to the fact that these activities violate the Turkish Cypriots’ equal and inherent rights, contradict the letter and spirit of the current comprehensive settlement negotiations conducted under UN auspices and might lead to the escalation of tension in the region. These views which we have stated time and again remain unchanged.

    The announcement of this tender at a time when the UN negotiations have reached a critical and determining stage proves that the Greek Cypriot side totally disregards the equal rights and legitimate interests of the Turkish Cypriots and that they are not willing to share a common future with the Turkish Cypriots and not ready yet for a comprehensive settlement.

    Once the concession blocks geographically described in this so-called tender are examined, it appears that certain sections of some of these blocks namely the so-called 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th blocks are overlapping with Turkey’s continental shelf areas in the Eastern Mediterranean.

    Turkey, as it was before, will not allow under any circumstances foreign oil companies to conduct unauthorized oil/natural gas exploration and exploitation activities in these overlapping areas and will take all necessary measures to protect its rights and interests in the maritime areas falling within its continental shelf.

    The concession blocks identified in this so-called tender not only violate Turkey’s continental shelf, but also overlap, in the south of the island, with the Turkish Cypriot’s concession blocs granted to the Turkish Petroleum Company (TPAO) by the TRNC on 22 September 2011.

    This situation would bring those international companies that might be interested in bidding for this illegal tender into confrontation with the TRNC and the TPAO, and thus would lead to an undesired tension in the region. Turkey, in such eventuality, acting upon its responsibilities as a motherland and a guarantor power, will give every support to the TRNC to prevent possible violations of Turkish Cypriot concession blocks and thus to protect their rights and interests in maritime areas.

    The two peoples of the Island should benefit together from the off-shore natural resources of the island. These natural resources should be explored and exploited upon the common will and consent of the two sides. If this cannot be achieved, then the so-called concession blocs will remain as disputed areas in terms of their ownership.

    Therefore, this issue should either be left to the aftermath of the comprehensive settlement or the two sides should be brought together exclusively on this matter under the auspices of the UN Secretary General so that they could determine jointly the future course of off-shore hydrocarbon exploration and exploitation activities around the island.

    Otherwise, unilateral steps to be taken by the Greek Cypriots and subsequent measures in response to these steps to be adopted by the Turkish Cypriots would inevitably lead to an escalation of tension in the region.

    In order to prevent such eventuality, we would like to remind once again of the need to implement the proposal made by the President of the TRNC, H.E. Mr. Derviş Eroğlu, on 24 September 2011.

    Finally, Turkey calls upon those countries and companies that might be interested in conducting hydrocarbon exploration activities based on the invalid concessions that the GCA might attempt to grant to act with common sense, to take into account the will of the other constituent people of the Island, namely the Turkish Cypriots, and not to take any step which might negatively affect the settlement process of the Cyprus issue, and expect them to act accordingly.
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    More empty threats by Turkey which violate the rights of the Cypriot Republic over its Exclusive Economic Zone.

    Especially this shameful statement:
    Once the concession blocks geographically described in this so-called tender are examined, it appears that certain sections of some of these blocks namely the so-called 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th blocks are overlapping with Turkey’s continental shelf areas in the Eastern Mediterranean.
    says that Cyprus has violated Turkey's continental shelf which is a blatant lie.

    An image of those blocks:

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    It's evident that Turkey considers the Cypriot Republic a state which has no rights in the sea resources around it. The Turkish Republic has blatantly ignored Cyprus' sovereignty in these areas.
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    Couple of points:
    1) If it's more "empty" threats then it surely does not warrant a new thread with "empty" discussions.
    2) This is not a threat but a protest.
    3) If you say it's a lie your obligation is to show how that is a lie.
    4) The only country that Southern Cyprus can sell the gas they're drilling for is Turkey which is quite ironic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkLordSeth View Post
    2) This is not a threat but a protest.
    Then read the Turkish statement once again.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkLordSeth View Post
    3) If you say it's a lie your obligation is to show how that is a lie.


    This area is the Exclusive Economic Zone of the Republic of Cyprus. The blocks for which Turkey threatened action fall in this category.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkLordSeth View Post
    4) The only country that Southern Cyprus can sell the gas they're drilling for is Turkey which is quite ironic.
    Source? Also, the state is called Republic of Cyprus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manuel I Komnenos View Post
    Then read the Turkish statement once again.
    I did. Still not a threat.


    Quote Originally Posted by Manuel I Komnenos View Post


    This area is the Exclusive Economic Zone of the Republic of Cyprus. The blocks for which Turkey threatened action fall in this category.
    Clearly you didn't read the statement and this map properly. The map says Block 12 while the statement says Blocks 1, 4, 5, 6, and 7.


    Quote Originally Posted by Manuel I Komnenos View Post
    Source? Also, the state is called Republic of Cyprus.
    If I remember correctly neither Israel nor Lebanon need gas imports and Greece and Egypt are too far away for a pipeline and construction of condensation plants making it unprofitable. Turkey is the only country in the vicinity that makes the drilled gas profitable for Southern Cyprus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkLordSeth View Post
    I did. Still not a threat.
    Turkey, as it was before, will not allow under any circumstances foreign oil companies to conduct unauthorized oil/natural gas exploration and exploitation activities in these overlapping areas and will take all necessary measures to protect its rights and interests in the maritime areas falling within its continental shelf.
    Otherwise, unilateral steps to be taken by the Greek Cypriots and subsequent measures in response to these steps to be adopted by the Turkish Cypriots would inevitably lead to an escalation of tension in the region.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkLordSeth View Post
    Clearly you didn't read the statement and this map properly. The map says Block 12 while the statement says Blocks 1, 4, 5, 6, and 7.
    You didn't understand the idea. Let me explain. The map in post #3 depicts the Economic Zone of Cyprus which includes all the blocks shown in the map in post #1 which depicts all the blocks the Cypriot Republic will invite companies to search for oil and drill in. The map in post #1 shows that the blocks contested by Turkey are in the Cypriot EEZ and Turkey has absolutely no right on them.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkLordSeth View Post
    If I remember correctly neither Israel nor Lebanon need gas imports and Greece and Egypt are too far away for a pipeline and construction of condensation plants making it unprofitable. Turkey is the only country in the vicinity that makes the drilled gas profitable for Southern Cyprus.
    No, it's not that far. Example.
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    There is a difference between a warning and a threat. You clearly don't get the difference.

    Quote Originally Posted by Manuel I Komnenos View Post
    You didn't understand the idea. Let me explain. The map in post #3 depicts the Economic Zone of Cyprus which includes all the blocks shown in the map in post #1 which depicts all the blocks the Cypriot Republic will invite companies to search for oil and drill in. The map in post #1 shows that the blocks contested by Turkey are in the Cypriot EEZ and Turkey has absolutely no right on them.
    That gets us to the initial point:
    3) If you say it's a lie your obligation is to show how that is a lie.
    Meaning show us that in no sense Cyprus violated Turkey's continental shelf.


    Quote Originally Posted by Manuel I Komnenos View Post
    No, it's not that far. Example.
    The Med has an average depth of 1500 meters, the Baltic Sea has an average depth of 38 meters...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkLordSeth View Post
    If I remember correctly neither Israel nor Lebanon need gas imports and Greece and Egypt are too far away for a pipeline and construction of condensation plants making it unprofitable. Turkey is the only country in the vicinity that makes the drilled gas profitable for Southern Cyprus.
    We're not that far. Also there are establishments in Crete that could be easily modified/expanded to use the product.
    Let it come to production first...
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    Quote Originally Posted by alhoon View Post
    We're not that far. Also there are establishments in Crete that could be easily modified/expanded to use the product.
    Let it come to production first...
    You kinda are for a pipeline to be constructed profitably. Using Crete adds an extra cost as well. The expected resource size is not large enough to make it profitable when it's sold to anyone but Turkey. Sorry...
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    Blocks 1,4,5,6,7 do have parts of the continental shelf within 200 nautical miles of Turkey as far as I can see. It overlaps with The Rep of Cyprus' EEZ so they're going to have to decide the old argument over which has precedence. Have fun!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Markas View Post
    Blocks 1,4,5,6,7 do have parts of the continental shelf within 200 nautical miles of Turkey as far as I can see. It overlaps with The Rep of Cyprus' EEZ so they're going to have to decide the old argument over which has precedence. Have fun!
    A helpful map to consider:



    When two states' Economic Zones overlap, each state basically gains what's closest to it.

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    Right lets keep the thread on-topic and the discussion as civil as possible.
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    Turkey is within it's rights according to the UN convention on the law of the sea stating they are entitled to exclusive control over mineral resources located in the subsoil of the continental shelf. The blocks (1,4,5,6,7) proposed by cyprus are partially located on continental shelf. As you say Manuel when EEZ's overlap the areas default to the nearest state. Lack of established maritime boundaries in the eastern med hasn't helped the situation, though successful negotiations with Lebanon, Israel and Egypt (until Mubarak anyways) have left Turkey looking a bit desperate and wrong-footed. Their strategy seems to be a stalling game whilst harping about how this will set back talks of re-unification. It's a bit weak, but they have not told blatent lies about the continental shelf issue.
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    Drill anyway - the Turks might make a misstep and the Greeks get casus belli.
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    Split it.
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    It seems oil can tear even long time allies apart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sphere View Post
    It seems oil can tear even long time allies apart.
    not sure if serious...

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    Who would win a war Turkey or Greece?

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    Who would win a war Turkey or Greece?
    Macedonia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manuel I Komnenos
    It's evident that Turkey considers the Cypriot Republic a state which has no rights in the sea resources around it. The Turkish Republic has blatantly ignored Cyprus' sovereignty in these areas.
    If the situation was reversed, Greece would be acting in the same way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burnum View Post
    If the situation was reversed, Greece would be acting in the same way.
    and the value of that piece of information to this discussion is?

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