Faction living on without regions

[JeeVeeHa]

Hello everyone,

Is it possible for a faction to live on without regions like the papal states or Mongols/Timurids?

Is there some kind of mod for this?

Greetings,
JeeVeeHa

[Mhaedros]

Mongols/Timurids, yes but you need to kill all their generals. Papal States no since there is always a new pope. Technicly you can ofc destroy all christian factions as well, so there is no cardinals to become pope

[lolIsuck]

Yes, you can make all factions able to become a horde.
Baron Samedi did this on his submod for TATW but I don't know how to do it.

[Sir Luock]

The Papal States you can capture Rome but they may ask another Catholic Faction for a settlement. However, they may not get one if their diplomat dies or nobody is willing to give up one. They are still alive in essence that a Pope can be elected. If you destroy all (other if you are Catholic) Catholic factions no Pope can be elected unless you have a Cardinal. As for the Mongols and Timurids, you must capture all settlements and kill (or bribe) all their generals and captains.

[Sursion]

The Papal States you can capture Rome but they may ask another Catholic Faction for a settlement. However, they may not get one if their diplomat dies or nobody is willing to give up one. They are still alive in essence that a Pope can be elected. If you destroy all (other if you are Catholic) Catholic factions no Pope can be elected unless you have a Cardinal. As for the Mongols and Timurids, you must capture all settlements and kill (or bribe) all their generals and captains.

They will not ask another catholic faction for a settlement. However, if another catholic faction retakes Rome, they will gift it back to the Papal States. I know this for a fact because it's happened in my game. The Moors took Rome, Sicily counter attacked and gifted it back to the Pope.

[JeeVeeHa]

If you capture Rome as a catholic faction. (and your not excommunicated)
The pope will ask you to give Rome as a mission.

And you can defeat the Mongols/Timurids if you killed all the family members. They can live without a single region.

I know all this. But can you BE a faction and live without having regions, only family members?
So how do i make a faction a horde or something?

[Sir Luock]

If you capture Rome as a catholic faction. (and your not excommunicated)
The pope will ask you to give Rome as a mission.

And you can defeat the Mongols/Timurids if you killed all the family members. They can live without a single region.

I know all this. But can you BE a faction and live without having regions, only family members?
So how do i make a faction a horde or something?

No, when you lose your last region you die and campaign finishes.

I also read in the manual that the Pope askes for factions, but when I destroyed the Pope he didn't, so I stand corrected.

[JeeVeeHa]

No, when you lose your last region you die and campaign finishes.

I also read in the manual that the Pope askes for factions, but when I destroyed the Pope he didn't, so I stand corrected.

Well i never destroyed the Pope, so i don't know.

Copied everything of the Timurids horde text in descr_sm_factions and put with faction venice.

Before:


faction venice
culture southern_european
religion catholic
symbol models_strat/symbol_venice.CAS
rebel_symbol models_strat/symbol_rebels.CAS
primary_colour red 121, green 3, blue 3
secondary_colour red 221, green 176, blue 69
loading_logo loading_screen/symbols/symbol128_venice.tga
standard_index 0
logo_index FACTION_LOGO_VENICE
small_logo_index SMALL_FACTION_LOGO_VENICE
triumph_value 5
intro_movie faction/major_intro.bik
victory_movie faction/venice_win.bik
defeat_movie faction/venice_lose.bik
death_movie faction/venice_lose.bik
custom_battle_availability yeshorde_min_units 10
can_sap yes
prefers_naval_invasions yes
can_have_princess yes
has_family_tree yes


Now:


faction venice
culture southern_european
religion catholic
symbol models_strat/symbol_venice.CAS
rebel_symbol models_strat/symbol_rebels.CAS
primary_colour red 121, green 3, blue 3
secondary_colour red 221, green 176, blue 69
loading_logo loading_screen/symbols/symbol128_venice.tga
standard_index 0
logo_index FACTION_LOGO_VENICE
small_logo_index SMALL_FACTION_LOGO_VENICE
triumph_value 5
intro_movie faction/major_intro.bik
victory_movie faction/venice_win.bik
defeat_movie faction/venice_lose.bik
death_movie faction/venice_lose.bik
custom_battle_availability yeshorde_min_units 10
horde_max_units 20
horde_max_units_reduction_every_horde 10
horde_unit_per_settlement_population 250
horde_min_named_characters 2
horde_max_percent_army_stack 80
horde_disband_percent_on_settlement_capture 0
horde_unit Mongol Heavy Lancers
horde_unit Mongol Heavy Archers
horde_unit ME Halberd Militia
horde_unit
can_sap yes
prefers_naval_invasions yes
can_have_princess yes
has_family_tree yes


It worked, don't ask me how. But i was still alive without any regions

[Mhaedros]

Ah, sorry I misunderstood the question

[lolIsuck]

Captains shouldn't be a problem, they don't count. You just need to kill all family members, maybe even all but one.

[King William the Conqueror]

nope. All of them! Kill all of them

[King William the Conqueror]

Yes you can do that. Simple modding is all that is required
You will want to change to horde units to something Venice has.