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    I have a question about the immunity system of plants that stems mainly from observation.

    Time and again, when I've bought tangerines I noticed that if one of them suffers a "wound" so to speak, for example a piercing of the peel of the tangerine by the stem, the fruit spoils in a couple of days.
    And I was thinking, doesn't the fruit have any immunity system to fight off this infection? Even "non-serious" wounds that a living organism should be able to heal, are never fought off. Once the fruit has been damaged it's just a matter of how many days till it goes bad.
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    Default Re: Immunity system of plants

    I'm answering here mainly cause i see no other answers...

    Well, you're not talking about a plant's immune system, but that of a fruit. A fruit that's ripe and has been cut from the plant. This fruit is already slowly decaying. It's role has been fulfilled. If it was still on the tree, it would have much better chances of healing, i guess. But even if it was never cut from it, it would still decay and fall sometime. This is destiny...

    I just thought of that, i'm no expert in anyway...
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    Interesting take, but I've seen fruits on trees also spoil from cuts.
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    Default Re: Immunity system of plants

    Plants do not have white blood cells or antibodies like we know them from vertebrates. They rely more on passive defences like having barriers in the tissues that are impassable for infectants (peels, shells) and being a poor environment for most microorganisms with low pH values (citrus fruits) or constitutionally expressed defensive compounds, some of which are used in both traditional and modern medicines. Plants are also - unlike vertebrates - able to sacrifice their diseased parts by shedding infected fruits or leaves.
    Plants also have an innate immune response where antimicrobial compounds are expressed when an infection is detected.
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    Host defense in plants

    Members of every class of pathogen which infect humans also infect plants. Although the exact pathogenic species vary with the infected species, bacteria, fungi, viruses, nematodes and insects can all cause plant disease. As with animals, plants attacked by insects or other pathogens use a set of complex metabolic responses that lead to the formation of defensive chemical compounds that fight infection or make the plant less attractive to insects and other herbivores.[20] (see: plant defense against herbivory).
    Like invertebrates, plants neither generate antibody or T-cell responses nor possess mobile cells that detect and attack pathogens. In addition, in case of infection, parts of some plants are treated as disposable and replaceable, in ways that very few animals are able to do. Walling off or discarding a part of a plant helps stop spread of an infection.[20]
    Most plant immune responses involve systemic chemical signals sent throughout a plant. Plants use pattern-recognition receptors to recognize conserved microbial signatures. This recognition triggers an immune response. The first plant receptors of conserved microbial signatures were identified in rice (XA21, 1995)[21][22] and in Arabidopsis (FLS2, 2000).[23] Plants also carry immune receptors that recognize highly variable pathogen effectors. These include the NBS-LRR class of proteins. When a part of a plant becomes infected with a microbial or viral pathogen, in case of an incompatible interaction triggered by specific elicitors, the plant produces a localized hypersensitive response (HR), in which cells at the site of infection undergo rapid programmed cell death to prevent the spread of the disease to other parts of the plant. HR has some similarities to animal pyroptosis, such as a requirement of caspase-1-like proteolytic activity of VPEγ, a cysteine protease that regulates cell disassembly during cell death.[24]
    "Resistance" (R) proteins, encoded by R genes, are widely present in plants and detect pathogens. These proteins contain domains similar to the NOD Like Receptors and Toll-like receptors utilized in animal innate immunity. Systemic acquired resistance (SAR) is a type of defensive response that renders the entire plant resistant to a broad spectrum of infectious agents.[25] SAR involves the production of chemical messengers, such as salicylic acid or jasmonic acid. Some of these travel through the plant and signal other cells to produce defensive compounds to protect uninfected parts, e.g., leaves.[26] Salicylic acid itself, although indispensable for expression of SAR, is not the translocated signal responsible for the systemic response. Recent evidence indicates a role for jasmonates in transmission of the signal to distal portions of the plant. RNA silencing mechanisms are also important in the plant systemic response, as they can block virus replication.[27] The jasmonic acid response, is stimulated in leaves damaged by insects, and involves the production of methyl jasmonate.[20]

    Taken from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innate_immune_system (Paragraph 9.3)
    In the cases you describe the microbes are winning - like you could win a siege battle in a game of Stainless Steel. A couple of days is a very long time for a bacteria that may have a generation time of a few hours. If there were no bacteria, filamentous fungi, yeasts and so on to degrade unviable plant material too much carbon, nitrogen, phosphorus and so on would be "trapped" in dead plant material unavailable to the the rest of the organic world.
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    Default Re: Immunity system of plants

    Just to expand on that a touch this is why when taking cuttings you should wash your hands or preferably wear a pair of latex gloves, plants are notoriously bad at that weak vulnerable stage of dealing with human bacteria as they have little defense against it.

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    ehh... what?
    I don't get it Crane. You mean I should wash my hands BEFORE picking fruits or I risk spoiling them with my bacteria?
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    Default Re: Immunity system of plants

    Quote Originally Posted by alhoon View Post
    I don't get it Crane. You mean I should wash my hands BEFORE picking fruits or I risk spoiling them with my bacteria?
    He means plants' immunity system is much weaker than human hence you should be careful handling them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alhoon View Post
    ehh... what?
    I don't get it Crane. You mean I should wash my hands BEFORE picking fruits or I risk spoiling them with my bacteria?
    This really involves when dealing with cuttings that are particularly fragile or when making some serious pruning efforts and opening wounds on the plant.

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    Or they get infected with my bacteria... like babies.
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    Good to know. THanks, +rep
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