Byzantine late era units????

[Hoplite of Ilis]

I will ask again - or until I get an answer. Can anyone tell me how do I get the byzantine pikemen??? I played SS6.4 late era long campaign (savage AI), and finished it (Byzantium), and I never saw the pikemen, nor cannons, nor proniarii. I freakin' built it all, got the gun powder messages and the upgrades - and I was getting the faction destroyed message for Venice, Sicily, Turks every three turns - and long after they were destroyed.

[ksenagos]

What year have you reached?

[Hoplite of Ilis]

Around 1200, if I'm correct. I can't check for sure right now. I finished the game in around 90 turns

[ksenagos]

Are you using Real recruitment.If yes then you still have long way:
Proniarii will be available after half plate armor event in(around 1300 if i am correct)
Menaulatoi(the pikes) are available after first watch event (1500 maybe i m not sure)

Check your EDB for for info or here http://www.pressdat.com/mtw2/Byzantium/Byzantium.html some things have changed)

Try using BGR mod and really bad AI mod they really help to slow your expansion

[Hoplite of Ilis]

No I was not using that. The half plate armor was the last progress message I got before finishing the game. Do you know about the cannons?? I got all the messages, built all, but no cannons - not even the AI used them. Thank you for your help friend. I may try with your recomendations. Still, I'd like to know what to do without the RR.... Thanks anyway!

[ksenagos]

No I was not using that.

In that case pronoiarii should be available with a citadel(i don't know if you have any)
muskets and menaulatoi require the hand gun event(propably much later than 1200 )
and cannons require the cannons event

You can check the Export_descr_buildings located in data folder for more info

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

imperial_barracks city requires factions { greek, }
{
capability
{
recruit_pool "Late Musketeers" 1 0.5 2 0 requires factions { byzantium, } and event_counter HANDGUN 1

For example this tells you that late musketeers are available for Byzantium in the imperial barracks after the handgun event, that they have a replenish rate of 0.5 and that the maximum number you can have stored in your unit pool is 2

Hope that helped!!

[Hoplite of Ilis]

Yes it does help, BIG thanks! - I have plenty citadels, and received plenty cannon events. I'm using windows 7, I don't believe that has anything to do??? (some posts I saw abou missing unit cards).

[Hoplite of Ilis]

Handgun event between 1350-1370, or so I found!

[ksenagos]

So have you found the entry which describes the pronoiarii?If there is no entry then it is bad.If there is then good luck at your campaign

[GiddeeUpp]

arent pronoiarii tied to the 4th lateran council?

[ksenagos]

arent pronoiarii tied to the 4th lateran council?

They are tied to Half plate armor event and that only applies when RR is enabled

4th lateral is for scholarii(again when rr is enabled)