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    I must say with the proviso that I may be one bomb away from proven wrong. But following my earlier thread which noted that Islamicist terrorist activity in the EU had dropped significantly, it would appear, from a study, published today that the US has seen a similar trend over the last two years.

    Here is the report.

    http://sanford.duke.edu/centers/tcth...Since_9_11.pdf


    The report
    "Terrorism in the Decade Since 9/11"

    It is a good resource covering over a decade of conflict

    The scale of homegrown Muslim-American terrorism in 2011 does not appear to have corroborated the warnings issued by government officials early in the year. In March 2011, Mueller testified to Congress that
    this threat had become even more complexand difficult to combat, as “we are seeing an increase in the sources of terrorism, a wider array of terrorist targets, and an evolution in terrorist tactics and means of
    communication.” Janet Napolitano, secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, echoed Mueller’s concern in her 2011 “State of America’s Homeland Security Address”:“the terrorist threat facing our country has evolved significantly in the last ten years –and continues to evolve – so that, in some
    ways, the threat facing us is at its mostheightened state since those attacks.”Congressman Peter King, chairman of theCommittee on Homeland Security in the U.S.House of Representatives, held four hearings
    in 2011 to alert Americans to the “the extent of Muslim-American radicalization by al-Qaeda in their communities today and how terrible it is, the impact it has on families, how extensiveit is, and also that the main victims of this are Muslim-Americans themselves.”These and similar warnings have braced
    Americans for a possible upsurge in Muslim-American terrorism, which has not occurred.
    Instead, terrorist plots have decreased in each of the past two years, since the spike of cases
    in 2009. Threats remain: violent plots have not dwindled to zero, and revolutionary Islamist organizations overseas continue to call for Muslim-Americans to engage in violence. However, the number of Muslim-Americans who have responded to these calls continues to be tiny, when compared with the population
    of more than 2 million Muslims in the United States and when compared with the total
    level of violence in the United States, which was on track to register 14,000 murders in 2011.

    New York Times

    WASHINGTON — A feared wave of homegrown terrorism by radicalized Muslim Americans has not materialized, with plots and arrests dropping sharply over the two years since an unusual peak in 2009, according to a new study by a North Carolina research group.


    The study, to be released on Wednesday, found that 20 Muslim Americans were charged in violent plots or attacks in 2011, down from 26 in 2010 and a spike of 47 in 2009.

    Charles Kurzman, the author of the report for the Triangle Center on Terrorism and Homeland Security, called terrorism by Muslim Americans “a minuscule threat to public safety.” Of about 14,000 murders in the United States last year, not a single one resulted from Islamic extremism, said Mr. Kurzman, a professor of sociology at the University of North Carolina.

    The report also found that no single ethnic group predominated among Muslims charged in terrorism cases last year — six were of Arab ancestry, five were white, three were African-American and two were Iranian, Mr. Kurzman said. That pattern of ethnic diversity has held for those arrested since Sept. 11, 2001, he said.

    Forty percent of those charged in 2011 were converts to Islam, Mr. Kurzman found, slightly higher than the 35 percent of those charged since the 2001 attacks. His new report is based on the continuation of research he conducted for a book he published last year, “The Missing Martyrs: Why There Are So Few Muslim Terrorists.”

    The decline in cases since 2009 has come as a relief to law enforcement and counterterrorism officials. In that year, the authorities were surprised by a series of terrorist plots or attacks, including the killing of 13 people at Fort Hood, Tex., by an Army psychiatrist who had embraced radical Islam, Maj. Nidal Hasan.

    The upsurge in domestic plots two years ago prompted some scholars of violent extremism to question the conventional wisdom that Muslims in the United States, with higher levels of education and income than the average American, were not susceptible to the message of Al Qaeda.

    Concerns grew after the May 2010 arrest of Faisal Shahzad, a naturalized American citizen, for trying to blow up a sport utility vehicle in Times Square. Mr. Shahzad had worked as a financial analyst and seemed thoroughly assimilated. In a dramatic courtroom speech after pleading guilty, he blamed American military action in Muslim countries for his militancy.

    The string of cases fueled wide and often contentious discussion of the danger of radicalization among American Muslims, including Congressional hearings led by Representative Peter T. King, a Long Island Republican and chairman of the House Committee on Homeland Security.

    But the number of cases declined, returning to the rough average of about 20 Muslim Americans accused of extremist violence per year that has prevailed since the 2001 attacks, with 193 people in that category over the decade. By Mr. Kurzman’s count, 462 other Muslim Americans have been charged since 2001 for nonviolent crimes in support of terrorism, including financing and making false statements.

    The 2011 cases include just one actual series of attacks, which caused no injuries, involving rifle shots fired late at night at military buildings in Northern Virginia. A former Marine Corps reservist, Yonathan Melaku, pleaded guilty in the case last month in an agreement that calls for a 25-year prison sentence.

    Other plots unearthed by law enforcement last year and listed in Mr. Kurzman’s report included a suspected Iranian plan to assassinate the Saudi ambassador to the United States, a scheme to attack a Shiite mosque in Michigan and another to blow up synagogues, churches and the Empire State Building.

    “Fortunately, very few of these people are competent and very few get to the stage of preparing an attack without coming to the attention of the authorities,” Mr. Kurzman said.

    What strikes me is that a considerable amount of public money was wasted on Congressional hearings led by Representative Peter T. King. and dodgy training courses containing poor quality Islamophobic material by the FBI and NYPD, whilst law enforcement officials were quietly doing what they should be doing , catching the perps before they do damage. ( See figure 1 and you may appreciate the good job these guys do). The spike of activity in 2009 may explain this in part, perhaps one can debate this.


    Taken as a pure assessment of risk, particularly to ordinary Americans, there seems to be a disproportionate amount of political attention on the issue ( as opposed to the resources needed to contain the threat,) compared with the risk of death from other forms of crime. Put bluntly, since 9/11, the number of U.S. civilians have been killed by Islamic terrorists on American soil amounts to zero. Fort Hood led to 13 military deaths More than 120 Americans die each year eating peanuts.
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    Seems like every generation has it's scapegoats. The sad part is that once the mud is thrown it's leaves a stain no matter what. You can't really reason with people that feed on the unreasonable...
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    The US and UK are more than capable of destroying their own buildings, islamic terrorists should go home and blow up some of their own .

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    Quote Originally Posted by nein View Post
    The US and UK are more than capable of destroying their own buildings, islamic terrorists should go home and blow up some of their own .
    They've been doing that for a while now

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkLordSeth View Post
    Seems like every generation has it's scapegoats. The sad part is that once the mud is thrown it's leaves a stain no matter what. You can't really reason with people that feed on the unreasonable...
    Yes. I am surprised that conservatives haven't moved for the closure of the King hearings because it is a gross waste of time and money. But I guess the Republican Party is so infected with birther folk and other loons , they can't see it for what it is, a political exercise by a former IRA sympathiser, to indulge Islamophobic morons. As for American Liberals, I don't know what the hell they are doing to stop this nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    Yes. I am surprised that conservatives haven't moved for the closure of the King hearings because it is a gross waste of time and money. But I guess the Republican Party is so infected with birther folk and other loons , they can't see it for what it is, a political exercise by a former IRA sympathiser, to indulge Islamophobic morons. As for American Liberals, I don't know what the hell they are doing to stop this nonsense.
    They sort of benefit from this hysteria. By creating a non-existent level of threat and taking a stand against it they're taking over the gullible and form a base of supporters. It's quite easy to rally people around their ignorance and prejudices.
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    The problem is that these countries all want to put freedom and the rights of man to the side for the sake of a little security. Its a global trend that one single isolated event affects policy.

    Please think of the children, lock your doors, see something say something, its all Orwellian and disgusting. Because some kids shoot up columbine? Because the .0001% of a major terrorist attack?

    After columbine the women who whined to the school system had us all searched, gave us nametags, stoped off campus lunch, and went overboard for disputes and angry comments with students. These emotional almost got me expelled for "hacking" when all I did was change a printer to another class and print 10000 pages so I was a "danger". Same people who are horrible at driving so they buy a huge hard to drive SUV because they are TERRIFIED to drive on the highway. They expelled a cousin for having a m80 in his backpack when if this was the 80s or even the 90s someone would be given detention.

    Im not saying its all women but the typical outraged please think of the children fearful of the world is what I think if when I see laws like the patriot act and things simply because they are the same people who turned my high school into a jail and were the force behind idiocy like prohibition.

    Men typically are racist xenophobes who fear anything that is different so those people who think that way will back anything that supports that.

    These people are a small minority of their groups but they are the most obnoxiously loud and lawsuit happy and everyone bends to the will of these idiots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    What strikes me is that a considerable amount of public money was wasted on Congressional hearings
    One could make that argument for most Congressional hearings
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    Quote Originally Posted by priam11 View Post
    One could make that argument for most Congressional hearings
    This is a fair and reasonable comment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kitsunegari View Post
    They've been doing that for a while now
    As is this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kanaric View Post
    The problem is that these countries all want to put freedom and the rights of man to the side for the sake of a little security. Its a global trend that one single isolated event affects policy.

    Please think of the children, lock your doors, see something say something, its all Orwellian and disgusting. Because some kids shoot up columbine? Because the .0001% of a major terrorist attack?

    After columbine the women who whined to the school system had us all searched, gave us nametags, stoped off campus lunch, and went overboard for disputes and angry comments with students. These emotional almost got me expelled for "hacking" when all I did was change a printer to another class and print 10000 pages so I was a "danger". Same people who are horrible at driving so they buy a huge hard to drive SUV because they are TERRIFIED to drive on the highway. They expelled a cousin for having a m80 in his backpack when if this was the 80s or even the 90s someone would be given detention.

    Im not saying its all women but the typical outraged please think of the children fearful of the world is what I think if when I see laws like the patriot act and things simply because they are the same people who turned my high school into a jail and were the force behind idiocy like prohibition.

    Men typically are racist xenophobes who fear anything that is different so those people who think that way will back anything that supports that.

    These people are a small minority of their groups but they are the most obnoxiously loud and lawsuit happy and everyone bends to the will of these idiots.

    I recall reading an article on the Texas school system, which for all intents and purposes seems to be run as a kind of police state. Wish I opened a thread on it having read this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    I recall reading an article on the Texas school system, which for all intents and purposes seems to be run as a kind of police state. Wish I opened a thread on it having read this.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx4pN-aiofw

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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    I recall reading an article on the Texas school system, which for all intents and purposes seems to be run as a kind of police state. Wish I opened a thread on it having read this.
    As someone who grew up in it, I can actually say that's not entirely inaccurate. It's gotten pretty bad in this state and its one of the few things that foreigners have a somewhat accurate perception of in this state.
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    AFAIK there are radical Islamists groups in Europe, but I haven't heard of such in North America. IMO its just another way to divert public attention from more pressing issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    This is a fair and reasonable comment.



    As is this.




    I recall reading an article on the Texas school system, which for all intents and purposes seems to be run as a kind of police state. Wish I opened a thread on it having read this.
    I wouldn't doubt it, we went from a quiet suburban high school to backpack sniffing dogs and hardliner punishment for any activity over night due to these people.

    Before this they were still ridiculous. A friend had a miller racing shirt and was forced to take it off, I got into a fight with a kid and I got a slap on the wrist and he got a 2 week suspension because he was a "troublemaker". I even said it was no big deal and they should leave him alone and my parents did not care either.

    Though none of that is nearly as bad as post columbine. Were being taught from childhood to overreact with oppression
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    Right wing militia groups commit more acts of terrorism (both prevented and non-prevented) than any domestic Islamic terrorist attacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azoth View Post
    Right wing militia groups commit more acts of terrorism (both prevented and non-prevented) than any domestic Islamic terrorist attacks.
    In the US? Source?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broseph Stalin View Post
    AFAIK there are radical Islamists groups in Europe, but I haven't heard of such in North America. IMO its just another way to divert public attention from more pressing issues.
    There are SOME but are isolated incidents involving laundering money and financial support.

    All the muslims I knee here were moderates
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    No attacks since 9/11?

    A vindication of G.W if ever there was one.

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    All the muslims I knee here were moderates
    Then why assault them man?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Gurkhan View Post
    No attacks since 9/11?

    A vindication of G.W if ever there was one.
    Lol not sure if serious
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