Is hunting acceptable in the modern world?

[Carach]

what is with the disgusting fetish for hunting ? im directing this mostly at americans as they seem to be the biggest fans of it.

http://www.lookatentertainment.com/v/v-1961.htm

one of many videos...why shoot a lion?

why shoot any animal u dont need to survive on?

what annoys me the most is that they make videos like that bragging on their kills of random animals in the middle of africa..with guns or arrows. They never seem to aim to kill instantly either in the many videos ive seen.

i know one of the guys in this vid may not be american - being the helper and all...

this kind of thing disgusts me, and its a shame the lion didnt do a better job of hitting them.

[Sétanta]

Hunting is part of the American Culture. It isn't like we shoot stuff for fun, we eat the animal we shoot. Anybody who tells you otherwise has 1) never gone hunting or 2) is focusing on a few assorted cases of people who poach. Poachers are dispiesed by real hunters.

And there isn't many lions in America...

[Carach]

And there isn't many lions in America...

hence why i said middle of africa.

hunting is part of american 'culture' ?

there isnt much to be proud of in america is there lol...

maybe i should go round africa killing the people doing stuff like in the video above.

wonder if they would complain about that? being human and all...

[Blaven]

maybe i should go round africa killing the people doing stuff like in the video above.

wonder if they would complain about that? being human and all...

You're comparing people to animals?

My state (Michigan) is one of the biggest "outdoorsmen" states in the country. I've never gone hunting before, but I want to.

Though I'll always be more of a fisherman than a hunter (don't worry carach, I catch-and-release).

And how is this political in any way?

[Carach]

You're comparing people to animals?

yes i am. humans are animals afterall.

Something you seem to forget.

If you eat it, then it is fine. I mean, shooting and eating an endangered species is bad. But where I live there are more deer than humans. Nothing quite like getting your own food, and eating it. Nothing in it but meat, pure and simple. Just the ways your ancestors did. We are a hunting species after all, and I won't let P.C. people tell me I am not :original:

There is just no need to around killing animals when you can get food just down the road in a shop. Balance of natre is unbalanced as it is...

And besides - can u explain going all the way to africa, to kill a lion (not even a species we would 'hunt' back like our ancestors did) for food?

a very long shopping trip is it not?

im no political correct idiot - most people would know that..but videos like that really make me angry....a male lion, harrassing and then shooting it when it turns to leave.. They got morethan they bargained for when it charged them (very fast for a damaged lion - so they are shooting not only a lion, but a male FIT lion, not an old on the verge of death lion.. Predators both human and 'animals' almost always went for the weak/hurt..not for other prime time fit predators.)

[Lasher]

hence why i said middle of africa.

hunting is part of american 'culture' ?

there isnt much to be proud of in america is there lol...

maybe i should go round africa killing the people doing stuff like in the video above.

wonder if they would complain about that? being human and all...

Lion hunting takes more balls than having a group of cavalry and a pack of dogs to take one fox.

[God]

It's political because it ought to be banned. Like fox hunting was here. It's cruel and pointless if you don't eat it after. But even if you do it would be better to get your food from a supermarket...

what annoys me the most is that they make videos like that bragging on their kills of random animals in the middle of africa..with guns or arrows. They never seem to aim to kill instantly either in the many videos ive seen.

And this is just to get food...?

[Sétanta]

It's political because it ought to be banned. Like fox hunting was here. It's cruel and pointless if you don't eat it after. But even if you do it would be better to get your food from a supermarket...

If you eat it, then it is fine. I mean, shooting and eating an endangered species is bad. But where I live there are more deer than humans. Nothing quite like getting your own food, and eating it. Nothing in it but meat, pure and simple. Just the ways your ancestors did. We are a hunting species after all, and I won't let P.C. people tell me I am not :original:

[Blaven]

It's political because it ought to be banned. Like fox hunting was here. It's cruel and pointless if you don't eat it after. But even if you do it would be better to get your food from a supermarket...

I've never known a hunter who killed a deer, moose, whatever and never ate it. And if you get your food from the market than whats the difference, animals were still slaughtered for it, and they die in way worse ways than just getting shot in the chest with a high-powered rifle.

yes i am. humans are animals afterall.

Something you seem to forget.

Except we're infinitely more developed and advanced than they will ever be.

There is just no need to around killing animals when you can get food just down the road in a shop. Balance of natre is unbalanced as it is...

And besides - can u explain going all the way to africa, to kill a lion (not even a species we would 'hunt' back like our ancestors did) for food?

A.) In my area a few years ago the deer were literally killing themselves off. They got so numerous they ate all the natural food and started dieing. The state had to get involved and kill a bunch of them so half the population wouldn't die off.

B.) The guys that go after exotic game are all rich as hell and generally get full body mounts on their 'prize'. They don't do it for the food.

[Carach]

I've never known a hunter who killed a deer, moose, whatever and never ate it. And if you get your food from the market than whats the difference, animals were still slaughtered for it, and they die in way worse ways than just getting shot in the chest with a high-powered rifle.

thats a lie, unless in america you have a different way to in the UK.
There are laws protecting animals against dodgey slaughter.

Except we're infinitely more developed and advanced than they will ever be.

So? does that give uthe right to wonder a few thousand miles and go shoot some wild animals that are not even sick..predators barely ever go for the strongest, they go for the weakest. That video shows them piling bullets into a fit male lion - not even an old dying lion...ITS A LION FFS....WHY WOULD U WANT TO EAT A LION?

A.) In my area a few years ago the deer were literally killing themselves off. They got so numerous they ate all the natural food and started dieing. The state had to get involved and kill a bunch of them so half the population wouldn't die off.

sorry if i dont udnerstand, but your state killed a load of them so half the population wouldnt die ... But the state killed half the population to stop the other half dying?

I understand population control, but im talking about going 3 thousand miles to shoot animals that are hardly in abundance...

B.) The guys that go after exotic game are all rich as hell and generally get full body mounts on their 'prize'. They don't do it for the food.

these people killing a lion are those people.

and those people should be shot.

[Sétanta]

thats a lie, unless in america you have a different way to in the UK.
There are laws protecting animals against dodgey slaughter.

There aren't exactly many poachers in America. I mean we don't have all these cool animals that people don't eat. And if I shoot a deer with a rifle, it will die, unless I hit in the the butt. In which case I wouldn't have the liscense in the first place.

[Blaven]

thats a lie, unless in america you have a different way to in the UK.
There are laws protecting animals against dodgey slaughter.

Apparently Americans are much better at animal conservation than British people are.

So? does that give uthe right to wonder a few thousand miles and go shoot some wild animals that are not even sick..predators barely ever go for the strongest, they go for the weakest. That video shows them piling bullets into a fit male lion - not even an old dying lion...ITS A LION FFS....WHY WOULD U WANT TO EAT A LION?

Again, they don't eat the lion, they probably just get a head or a full body mount. And anyway, I kind of agree with you.

sorry if i dont udnerstand, but your state killed a load of them so half the population wouldnt die ... But the state killed half the population to stop the other half dying?

I have no idea how many they ended up shooting, but their intent was keep the population from getting to out of control. I'm also pretty sure it'd be impossible to kill half of them (there are 1,000,000 deer here). It's not like a bunch of rich, bored politcians just camped out in lawn chairs and started popping caps at anything that moved.

[Wild Bill Kelso]

Honestly.. what is the difference between killing a deer for meat and buying beef in the supermarket? In both cases an animal is killed. Usually it is urban people who are against hunting, yet have no problem with buying slaughtered meat in the supermarket. Deer meat is actually a lot more environmentally freindly than beef. Plus it is better for you since it is low in fat and not pumped full of growth hormones. Have any of you who are against hunting ever visited a slaughter house or an Intensive livestock operation? Do you know what happens so you can simply go to a supermarket and buy your red slab of protien?

[Carach]

Apparently Americans are much better at animal conservation than British people are.

have you noticed how america is something like 100 times the size of the UK?
other than that, i have no clue what your talking about, we introduce animals back int othe ild in scotland all the time for example (birds of prey..)

Again, they don't eat the lion, they probably just get a head or a full body mount. And anyway, I kind of agree with you.

like i said, its sick and peoplethat do that should be shot themselves.

I prefer hunting over buying in a store, because that way you appreciate it more. You had to work to get that meat, and it is much more fair. The animal had a chance for survival since it was already out in the wild and it could escape.

a man with a gun ... shooting and more often than not slowly killing the animal through this method (due to failure to hit vital parts of the body) is giving it a chance to escape?

seriously, are you joking around?

if your hunting to eat - not playing around with a dying an animal (what was a living animal - shot, made a dyinganimal, then shot a bit later in another part of thebody unlikely to kill, then shoot a few more timesbefore finally putting itout of its misery) thas fine, what i have a problem is with people going out killing animals just for the hell of it..

Really most people that do hunt even for food dont need to either....but hey..

[danzig]

So? does that give uthe right to wonder a few thousand miles and go shoot some wild animals that are not even sick..predators barely ever go for the strongest, they go for the weakest. That video shows them piling bullets into a fit male lion - not even an old dying lion...ITS A LION FFS....WHY WOULD U WANT TO EAT A LION?

Why do you keep missing the point that people keep saying that "American hunters" hunt and eat what they kill, some moron in africa shooting lions is not what be defined as hunting in America regardless of whether the person in Africa happens to be an American. Some guy in Africa isnt an indication of American hunters, its an indication of someone with alot of money and nothing better to do.

[Maron]

thats a lie, unless in america you have a different way to in the UK.
There are laws protecting animals against dodgey slaughter.

Actually the way that animals are killed in a slaughterhouse is MUCH worse than hunting.

First: the calf is sent to a feedlot where they pack on several hundred pounds
then: the cow is brought into a refrigerated warehouse where they get knocked right between the eyes with a ball pein hammer
now they are unconcious. next they cut a hole in each leg near the knee and insert a bar which is raised and leaves the cow dangling.
next they proceed to skin and gut the cow as it slowly bleeds to death. then it is butchered packed and shipped.

how do i know this? my family owns a beef cattle ranch

if you argue against hunting all together, go on a hunting trip with an experienced and respective hunter....then go to a rural slaughterhouse.....i think it'll be pretty obvious which one is more 'moral'

Agreed 100%

Also... in south Alabama at least, feral hogs are EXTREMELY overpopulated and destroy millions of dollars worth of crops and have to be shot just so the farmers can break even at the end of the year. So without hunting MANY people in rural areas would go hungry for multiple reasons.

[internationalist]

Except we're infinitely more developed and advanced than they will ever be.

well, yes, but we are also destroying more of the planet than animals ever will or have...

A.) In my area a few years ago the deer were literally killing themselves off. They got so numerous they ate all the natural food and started dieing. The state had to get involved and kill a bunch of them so half the population wouldn't die off.

This happened because hunters killed all the wolves, if humans hadn't killed all the wolves in the area, the deer population (as well as the wolf population) would have been stable.

[HMMcKamikaze]

I prefer hunting over buying in a store, because that way you appreciate it more. You had to work to get that meat, and it is much more fair. The animal had a chance for survival since it was already out in the wild and it could escape. But when you get meat in a supermarket, chances are the animal was raised and killed completely shutoff from nature and fed terrible food and given disgusting hormones.

[Blaven]

You can't buy deer meat in regular grocery stores, at least none near me. You might be able to at some liquour stores way out in rural areas though.

[Wild Bill Kelso]

You can't buy deer meat in regular grocery stores, at least none near me. You might be able to at some liquour stores way out in rural areas though.

Same here, that was a typo which has been corrected