Roman problem

[╬Ritterbruder╬]

So, last night I was attacked by the byzantines at Aleppo (fortress)
I'm Teutonic knights
My units:
6 archers (standard, armenians, crossbow etc.)
4 order spearmen
1 ritterbruder
1 halbbruder (officer)
1 kurdish javelinmen
total: about 1800 men

byzantine army:
1 bodyguard
3 cavalry (various with unpronouncable names)
6 sword infantry
10 spear infantry

2 smaller armies with similar build.
total: about 4500 men

I ended up taking 60% of them down, but still lost
main reason: arrows don't even dent those guys, my livonian auxilaries were the most effective and the only unit able to survive at the first wall, enabling my gatehouse to continue pooring hot oil on incoming reserves at the second wall I took out their general, but they pretty much wen't "meh.." and continued to march in happily

my question: what do you do against that? half a stack of dismounted ritterbruder and half a stack of crossbows?
my ritterbruder cavalry was able to take out 3 seperate units of their cavalry before it was gone, but my infantry got washed away

[Galain_Ironhide]

Sounds like you were outclassed in sheer manpower alone - sounds like there would have not been too much that you could have done. It may have been a different story if you had some sword units or even some dimounted ritterbruders / halbruders to make a full stack.

[TheRomanRuler]

Achers are supporting troops, not line troops! Use them for example shooting flanks of enemy to prepare cavalry charge, or if you have weak soldieers for example at middle, shoot enemy middle so its more balanced again.

[Navajo Joe]

It would be interesting to know which Roman Units they were using, I am playing Late Era Roman campaign just now, the basic spearmen Contartoi can hold a line well, but combine them with Scoutatoi, they are more than a match for your Order Spearmen. There Sword Units which again can be Scoutatoi and Castro......, very capable in melee, combine them with their horsearchers and basic Light Cavarly Stratatoi, you are in trouble. Now if they brought some of their HC, Varangians, Siphonatores or Emperors Guard, you are in deep deep trouble

[╬Ritterbruder╬]

It would be interesting to know which Roman Units they were using, I am playing Late Era Roman campaign just now, the basic spearmen Contartoi can hold a line well, but combine them with Scoutatoi, they are more than a match for your Order Spearmen. There Sword Units which again can be Scoutatoi and Castro......, very capable in melee, combine them with their horsearchers and basic Light Cavarly Stratatoi, you are in trouble. Now if they brought some of their HC, Varangians, Siphonatores or Emperors Guard, you are in deep deep trouble

they don't use much apart from catastrophikoi (or something similar) and scoutatoi. and those last guys are bad enough already, redicilously high morale and bulletproof armour

[ksenagos]

they don't use much apart from catastrophikoi (or something similar)

Lols @catastrophikoi
Catastrofikoi means disastrous but that could be easily their new name since they wreck havoc among spearmen

I found their weakness!

CANNONBALLS

nukes may work as well

On topic:Sally out and stop their rams they rarely grab them back once they drop them

[╬Ritterbruder╬]

I found their weakness!

CANNONBALLS

[Navajo Joe]

Javelin men would be useful as well, if you can get some, also if you hold any ex Hungarian Castles, Magyar Cavarly, always always Prussian Spearmen, tough as old boots

[k/t]

You needed more infantry. Byzantine infantry usually have big shields, so getting shot in the face doesn't do much to them.

[David93]

You needed more infantry. Byzantine infantry usually have big shields, so getting shot in the face doesn't do much to them.

Well if you actually hit them in the face it would do it

2000th post

[TheRomanRuler]

Javelins works Wery well against them, and concentrated ballista fire. Always(when attacking) concentrate you fire!

[╬Ritterbruder╬]

I'm not really on the offense right now, I'm just holding the northern Outremer to cover my crusader buddies from the mongols, which are piece of cake compared to those byzantine robocops
Problem is that Hungary is currently devided between me (North) Byzantine (East) and Hungary (West), so I need most of my maygars and auxilaries up there. My Middle-eastern settlements are pretty much on their own for now

[TheRomanRuler]

I'm not really on the offense right now, I'm just holding the northern

Wise thing, after 1 000 yers fighting Romans are very hardened soldiers..

[╬Ritterbruder╬]

Wise thing, after 1 000 yers fighting Romans are very hardened soldiers..

but it's only turn 120

[╬Ritterbruder╬]

but it's only turn 120

and I've been butchering pagans and heretics from turn 1, they've only started taking it seriously since turn 50 or something.

[k/t]

But the Empire has been around longer than you.

[Ferdiad]

Its also been in a state of decline longer than him.

[╬Ritterbruder╬]

Its also been in a state of decline longer than him.

...doubt that

[Ferdiad]

...doubt that

Your grasp of history leaves a lot to be desired and you completely misunderstood my post.

[╬Ritterbruder╬]

Your grasp of history leaves a lot to be desired and you completely misunderstood my post.

srry, didn't think humour could hurt that much,
aspirin?