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    Default Libyan rebel racist agenda: black-skinned Libyans gunned downed in refugee camp

    This racism was apparent from the beginning of the conflict, but now that about 10,000 prisoners are held up in prisons across Libya, many of them simply for having black skin, it's difficult to think about these refugee's horrible predicament.

    From Reuters Africa:



    Gunmen killed five Libyan refugees at their camp in a Tripoli suburb Monday, residents and hospital sources said, underscoring the volatility in the country months after Muammar Gaddafi's overthrow.


    Residents of the camp, black Libyans originally from the town of Tawergha, say they are being persecuted over accusations they collaborated with Gaddafi during the country's revolution.


    Many say they are also regularly mistaken for sub-Saharan African mercenaries who revolutionary fighters said fought for Gaddafi in the war.

    The attackers came to the gate of the makeshift settlement in a disused naval academy in Janzour saying they wanted to arrest young men, and opened fire as people gathered to protest, said residents.

    "Men from Misrata came to the camp at 10 o'clock. We knew they were from Misrata because it was written all over their cars," camp resident Huda Bel-Eid said at Tripoli Medical Hospital.

    "Around 15 of them started shooting us. All the women escaped but the young men stayed. My brother was there and I went to help him because he was shot in the head and neck, then they shot me (in the leg)," she added.

    Gaddafi's forces used Tawergha as a base to besiege and shell the coastal city of Misrata during last year's civil war. Its residents say they were held hostage by Gaddafi's men and did not collaborate.

    Hospital staff said five people were killed and two injured in the violence. Officials from Misrata military council denied involvement. "There is no way Misratans were involved," Fathi Bashaga, a member of Misrata military council, said.

    Officials from the defence and interior ministries were not available for comment Monday.

    At the morgue at Tripoli Medical Hospital, an elderly man and woman lay dead. Both were identified by Tawergha family members and had gunshots to the chest.


    A resident in Janzour, who gave his name as Abdulrahman, said five people were killed. "We found two bodies of black people who had been shot on the beach. We told the police, and they have taken them now," he said.

    Abdelhafid Suleiman, head of the military council of Janzour, said a group from the Tawergha camp later took to the streets to protest against the deaths. He said more violence erupted when Janzour fighters, who were on the streets to maintain security, tried to take knives and sticks off the Tawergha refugees.

    Once inhabited by almost 30,000 people, Tawergha is now a ghost town.

    Human Rights Watch has said Misrata rebels have looted and destroyed homes in Tawergha as well as the neighbouring farming villages of Kararim and Tomina, and revenge attacks against the refugees and arbitrary arrests continue.

    In addition to addressing the refugee issue, Libya's ruling National Transitional Council (NTC) must quell regular clashes between rival militias, bring down youth unemployment and secure its borders against arms traffickers, al Qaeda insurgents and migrants trying to reach Europe illegally.
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    they were gadaffi mercenaries, and therefore prime targets for extermination; haven't you heard? we must all give the victorious rebels all the undying support we ccan give, otherwise accept that "arab spring" is nothing but a disaster. poster child: egypt.

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    They should go back to Chad or Sudan or whatever hellhole gaddaffi brough them from.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 6644kp View Post
    They should go back to Chad or Sudan or whatever hellhole gaddaffi brough them from.
    Yes cause Libya never had a black population and those black women and children are obviously mercenaries
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    Quote Originally Posted by spanish_emperor View Post
    Yes cause Libya never had a black population and those black women and children are obviously mercenaries
    No not that close to the coast, most blacks in libya are confined to the southern desert not the northern cities hugging the coast.

    Gaddafi was a crazy lover of black people and even before the recent civil war he brought in many blacks from sub saharan africa.

    He was an "african" nationalist and sought the creation of a US of Africa.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 6644kp View Post
    No not that close to the coast, most blacks in libya are confined to the southern desert not the northern cities hugging the coast.

    Gaddafi was a crazy lover of black people and even before the recent civil war he brought in many blacks from sub saharan africa.

    He was an "african" nationalist and sought the creation of a US of Africa.
    You still haven't explained why it's okay to kill unarmed people because of their skin-colour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spanish_emperor View Post
    Yes cause Libya never had a black population and those black women and children are obviously mercenaries
    Indigenous? Gadhafi also invited a lot of workers from Ghana, Chad, etc. well before the civil war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    they were gadaffi mercenaries, and therefore prime targets for extermination; haven't you heard? we must all give the victorious rebels all the undying support we ccan give, otherwise accept that "arab spring" is nothing but a disaster. poster child: egypt.
    I know what the official line from the Chinese government is, but isn't a little early to start judging whether it's failed or not? Even Gadaffi only had minimal control of these regions, and it's not like Libyan government can just send troops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burnum View Post
    I know what the official line from the Chinese government is, but isn't a little early to start judging whether it's failed or not? Even Gadaffi only had minimal control of these regions, and it's not like Libyan government can just send troops.
    what is your obsession with stalking my posts and thinking everything i say has to do with the Chinese government?
    issues much?

    civil war in "newly liberated Libya"? lawlessness and rape in post Mubarak Egypt? if this-and post Mubarak Egypt- is the model wished by the West unto all Arab states, then we really must wonder what the hell ppl like you have been smoking. saying 'no, no you must wait and see' is bull , sure if we wait long enough we may well see a liberal democratic goverment-when ppl get so sick of the endless anarchy and civil war we get a military dictatorship and if we're infinitesimally lucky,, but we're more than likely going to get what we started off with: a a democracy of some sort but more than likely, a military dictatorship working hand in glove with the Pentagon-no different to Mubarak and all that revolution BS? what the heck was that for?
    sure if we have the same revolution and anarchy in Australia we could just as well end up with an islamic Caliphate. Expecting liberal democracy to arise from anarchy and civil war is like expecting a hurricane assembling a 747 from its component pieces.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    what is your obsession with stalking my posts and thinking everything i say has to do with the Chinese government?
    issues much?

    civil war in "newly liberated Libya"? lawlessness and rape in post Mubarak Egypt? if this-and post Mubarak Egypt- is the model wished by the West unto all Arab states, then we really must wonder what the hell ppl like you have been smoking. saying 'no, no you must wait and see' is bull , sure if we wait long enough we may well see a liberal democratic goverment-when ppl get so sick of the endless anarchy and civil war we get a military dictatorship and if we're infinitesimally lucky,, but we're more than likely going to get what we started off with: a a democracy of some sort but more than likely, a military dictatorship working hand in glove with the Pentagon-no different to Mubarak and all that revolution BS? what the heck was that for?
    sure if we have the same revolution and anarchy in Australia we could just as well end up with an islamic Caliphate. Expecting liberal democracy to arise from anarchy and civil war is like expecting a hurricane assembling a 747 from its component pieces.
    First off there is no civil war....... yet.

    That said it is an unfortunate truth that countries do tend to have civil wars after revolutions especially if there is no clear leadership and after 40 years under the leadership of a twit Libya is not well placed to have a peaceful transition to democratic rule.

    And rape and assaults on women in Egypt is a problem that always existed and has nothing to do with the revolution, with regards to the treatment of women and children I would be more concerned about India.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    Expecting liberal democracy to arise from anarchy and civil war is like expecting a hurricane assembling a 747 from its component pieces.
    The good cards don't appear to be in the hands of liberals, no. A lot can go wrong, yes. But we must remember that stable democracies have emerged from autocratic regimes that fell so suddenly in a revolution; Poland and Hungary after the Cold War? Brazil and Indonesia after the long years of military rule? In Europe, many people didn't seriously expect America to last after the Revolution, deriding it as a failed project and as a nation gripped by anarchy.

    So, while things don't look too good now, it doesn't necessarily mean that Libya/ Egypt is destined for another bout of authoritarianism.

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    Europeans aren't the only ones with latent racism; in some parts of the world, even the skin shade can get discriminated against.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Condottiere 40K View Post
    Europeans aren't the only ones with latent racism; in some parts of the world, even the skin shade can get discriminated against.
    What?!? Only white westerners can be racist.

    How do you not know this?!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davius View Post
    What?!? Only white westerners can be racist.

    How do you not know this?!?
    I suspect it's some sort of unconscious acculturation.

    An older example is the Indian caste system, a newer one would be the uproar over whether Beyonce slightly whitened her skin.
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    So all Libyan rebels are racists based off the actions of these men? Do people still not understand the Libyan rebels are not one unified force? That not all Libyan rebels are the same?

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    Until the NTC get their finger out and actually start convicting then hanging these scumbags, you will find people reaching these conclusions. Don't keep your hopes up.

    It doesn't help that this sort of thing has precedent even during the conflict.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Gurkhan View Post
    Until the NTC get their finger out and actually start convicting then hanging these scumbags, you will find people reaching these conclusions. Don't keep your hopes up.

    It doesn't help that this sort of thing has precedent even during the conflict.
    I am sure once the NTC is able to set up a government these convictions can happen. Give it a year. It took the US (after it declared its independence) 4 years to set-up a government. The government they set up would end up not working at all and it had to be replaced by the current US Constitution. It takes time for an effective government to be set up and work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    they were gadaffi mercenaries, and therefore prime targets for extermination; haven't you heard? we must all give the victorious rebels all the undying support we ccan give, otherwise accept that "arab spring" is nothing but a disaster. poster child: egypt.
    Ah, yes, I forgot all about those armies of African mercenaries operating in Libya. There was so much evidence and confirmation of those groups!

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    It has been reported all through the war that the rebels were killing blacks.Ethnic cleansing is going on..And tribal warfare.
    Make sure we do not make the same mistakes in Syria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Cruise View Post
    Make sure we do not make the same mistakes in Syria.
    No fear, no blacks in Syria.

    Only Alawi and christian minority but surely freedom loving rebels will not attack these two groups after they topple Sadat who protected them for so long.
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