How to tax nobles?

[hanter]

I personally think this is a fantastic addition/dimension to the game as it makes it more realistic...just that I find the guide alittle confusing. (think it's just me)!

I've searched the forum and also read the guide....tried it out ingame. I only managed to activate the Scutage Tax via the recruitment advice button in the settlement recruitment. But I waited a couple of turns and when I checked the 'Nobles Contribution' in the faction overall view tab, it is still 0. Did I miss something?

Also I would like to know:

1) Wealth Tax
1.1) How do I 'activate' the wealth tax? Do I have to wait for an event or build a particular building?

2) Religious Tax
2.1) I'm guessing the religous tax is automaticly on when I join the crusade right?
2.2) I read that there is a 5000 Personal wealth & 5000 from Treasury....is this 5000 Personal wealth from the noble? Is this a 1 time payment or every turn?
2.3) Since it's 5000 from the noble and 5000 from the treasury....does it mean, I don't pay anything? i.e there's a 5000 deduction from the treasury and the same amount is topped up by the noble. (sucks to be him....when he's supposed to fight for 'god'..guess the almighty needs some greasing from time to time ;p)

3) Tax collected
3.1) I see this in the traits....is this me collecting from the noble? Or the noble collecting this for himself at each turn. i.e the money that I lose from the treasury after each turn.

[Kaidonni]

It's best to ask these questions in the BGR submod thread (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=106060) rather than create a new thread.

I'm sure a moderator will be along to merge this topic with the main BGR topic, so I'll answer anyway.

Scutage tax is only levied if a noble has not contributed any troops that turn (regardless of whether he has the PTS and recoups some of his expenses from the faction treasury or not). If all of your generals are in settlements and are recruiting even basic militia units, they'll be exempt for that turn. Only a general who has not contributed anything towards troops will be taxed in these instances.

Wealth tax is automatically levied when the faction's funds reach a critically low level, and it can come and go depending on how well you are doing with your finances. You don't get to make this particular decision, unlike with Scutage.

Religious tax is for your generals for as long as your faction leader has not joined the Crusade, or for that particular general until he joins the Crusade. Once your leader joins, there is no more Crusade tax for any general. I'm not sure how the 10 turn limit on joining affects this, I think Crusade tax is still levied for the full duration of the Crusade if the leader has not joined. It's about 400 per general (in BGR IV-E, anyway), so you want to be careful. As for the cost of joining the Crusade itself, I'm not entirely sure how that works. Your general has to have that 5000 because it's going to come out of his pocket, but I don't know about the treasury's contribution or general's clawing back their money from the treasury (I have read the BGR manuals, but never joined a Crusade or Jihad).

Finally, tax collected is how much that general has collected the previous turn. Some will be directly from settlements, so you won't get that - it'll go into the treasury then back out again to the general, and it is based on a number of factors (settlement type, market level, taxation level). The general also gets tax from his estates, which isn't taken from your treasury, and is based on whether he owns Estates or Great Estates.

[hanter]

"Scutage tax is only levied if a noble has not contributed any troops that turn (regardless of whether he has the PTS and recoups some of his expenses from the faction treasury or not). If all of your generals are in settlements and are recruiting even basic militia units, they'll be exempt for that turn. Only a general who has not contributed anything towards troops will be taxed in these instances."

Do you mean if my general buys troops outside settlements (i.e mercenaries) thent it counts as contributing troops? Or if they are in settlements recruiting professional troops also counts as contributing troops?

What do you mean in the last sentence? So my general (not counting noble) will be taxed even if they sit in the settlement doing nothing? i.e no recruitment of millita/professional troops? wow so i have to basically recruit millitia non-stop for my general to prevent him getting broke?

[Kaidonni]

"Scutage tax is only levied if a noble has not contributed any troops that turn (regardless of whether he has the PTS and recoups some of his expenses from the faction treasury or not). If all of your generals are in settlements and are recruiting even basic militia units, they'll be exempt for that turn. Only a general who has not contributed anything towards troops will be taxed in these instances."

Do you mean if my general buys troops outside settlements (i.e mercenaries) thent it counts as contributing troops? Or if they are in settlements recruiting professional troops also counts as contributing troops?

What do you mean in the last sentence? So my general (not counting noble) will be taxed even if they sit in the settlement doing nothing? i.e no recruitment of millita/professional troops? wow so i have to basically recruit millitia non-stop for my general to prevent him getting broke?

As long as they are recruiting any troops - even ships - it counts. And you don't have to keep recruiting units to stop a general from going broke - that's a sure way to bankrupt him, as most will not have the Professional Training Staff and therefore won't be able to recoup recruitment costs. Many generals simply won't have the funds to indefinitely recruit, and they aren't taxed a great deal by Scutage anyway. I believe it's about 100-200 florins, based on the estates that they own - in most cases, recruiting will always cost them more, and if they don't have the PTS and aren't collecting enough taxes by themselves...