Pedophiles to launch political party

[Mr.Flint]

Remember those anti-same-sex marriage freaks? the ones who said "next you will legalize pedophilia"? seems they werent that far from the truth

AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - Dutch pedophiles are launching a political party to push for a cut in the legal age for sexual relations to 12 from 16 and the legalization of child pornography and sex with animals, sparking widespread outrage.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060530/...A1BHNlYwMxNzAy

[danzig]

Shrug logic will prevail:

"An opinion poll published Tuesday showed that 82 percent wanted the government to do something to stop the new party, while 67 percent said promoting pedophilia should be illegal."

Sounds like they have almost zero chance at gaining any support amoung the people. It was logical that some nutcases would take homosexuality and its arguments for it and try and apply it to something else but (from an american pov) just like homosexuality had nothing really in common with civil rights movement in the US...homosexuality and pedophiles have even less in common. At its core homosexuality is still two consenting adults and hence the business of the people involved, while pedophilia clearly *isnt* so I dont think human civlization has totally lose its mind

[danzig]

http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Dut...956347332.html

"The Charity, Freedom and Diversity (NVD) party said on its web site it would be registered officially on Wednesday, proclaiming: "We are going to shake The Hague awake!""

So they are just now turning into an offical political party...where is the bs again? I dont know why you are fighting this so much, its not like most (as always there are going to be some) of us are going to think your country is going to elect the first all Pedophile goverment and engage in blood orgies and screaming hail Satan. Again Ill point out that according to the poll in the other story most of your fellow countrymen reject the idea of them even being allowed to be a political party in the country...its nothing to be ashamed of every country has their nutcases we got Pat Robertson and his Jesus Party and you got Marthijn Uittenbogaard and his Pedophile party. Im actually not sure which one of us have the better of the deal....

[Erik]

So they are just now turning into an offical political party...where is the bs again?

They aren't becomming a political party, they are becomming an official club ("vereniging").

It's BS because they mis-tanslated "vereniging" to "political party".
The Dutch translation for "political party" is "politieke party" and not "vereniging".
A "vereniging" is just an organized group of people, like a soccer club.
To become "official" all you need to do is file your club rules with a solicitor, that's it.

And this is what they always do with Dutch stories: mis-translate them so they sound much worst (or interestng) than they realy are.
And as long as the English speaking public can't read Dutch they can't check the story, very smart

I dont know why you are fighting this so much, its not like most (as always there are going to be some) of us are going to think your country is going to elect the first all Pedophile goverment and engage in blood orgies and screaming hail Satan.

But it does contribute to our already bad reputation of drug users (even if drug use in the UK is 5 (five!) times higher), "baby killers" (even if abortion rates in the US are much higher), and whatever.
If the Dutch media created stories like that about the UK they (and that includes all British forum members) would be all over us.

Again Ill point out that according to the poll in the other story most of your fellow countrymen reject the idea of them even being allowed to be a political party in the country...its nothing to be ashamed of every country has their nutcases we got Pat Robertson and his Jesus Party and you got Marthijn Uittenbogaard and his Pedophile party. Im actually not sure which one of us have the better of the deal....

So there is no pedophile party in the Netherlands, and even if such a party was created most people would try to ban it anyways.
That's not much of a story is it?

But the headlines say something completely different about my country.

Dutch pedophiles are launching a political party to push for a cut in the legal age for sexual relations to 12 from 16 and the legalization of child pornography and sex with animals, sparking widespread outrage.

Those are 3 lies in just one sentence!
-They are not launching a political party but a club (we have literally THOUSANDS of clubs in the Netherlands, I'm a member of several)
-Sex with animals is already legal (weird I know, but it's perfectly legal in the US too), they don't want to change this.
-There was no widespread outrage, I would be surprised if the people who took the poll had even heared about the NVD before.

[the Black Prince]

i can't even get the website to open lol...

www.nvd.nu apparently...

i would direct people (with an advisory warning) to this website
http://www.cerius.org/community.htm
the advisory being this is a pedophile community website i found whilst trying to substantiate the claims, which lists the NVD as a political party


i would note this article too, albeit from Wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naasten...26_Diversiteit

the article references two dutch news sources as well as reuters, and i've seen the article carried on ITV and ABC as well
and just read an article carried by UPI as well as the Reuters one

the group Vereniging Martijn which is linked to this new party also carried a brief newsclipping about the launch of a

Nieuwe politieke partij...
Nederlanders, stem straks op de NVD!

correct me if i'm wrong but that would translate as New Political Party, and one of the founders of the party is a key member behind Vereniging Martijn according to other sources


as with the bogus Iranian Dress Code threads, this thread will be closed if proved to be false

[Erik]

i can't even get the website to open lol...

www.nvd.nu apparently...

Damn it, now they get a better ranking with Google.
But that is the correct address, and it works for me.

i would direct people (with an advisory warning) to this website
http://www.cerius.org/community.htm
the advisory being this is a pedophile community website i found whilst trying to substantiate the claims, which lists the NVD as a political party

Because pedohiles WANT it to be seen as a real political party?

correct me if i'm wrong but that would translate as New Political Party, and one of the founders of the party is a key member behind Vereniging Martijn according to other sources

They are PRETENDING to be a political party, but they are not an OFFICIAL political party (yet, or any time soon).

Let's say I were to announce that I, Erik, am now forming a political party called the EP (Erik's Party).
Does this mean that "EP" actually is a real political party now?
No, of course not, you have to be OFFICIALLY REGISTERED as a political party first, without it you can't even take part in elections.
NVD is in the process of getting themselves officially registered, but not as a political party but just as a standard club like the thousands (millions?) of clubs we already have in my country.

Since this whole story is based on pedophiles starting a POLITICAL party, and not just some club like NAMBLA, this "technicallity" becomes very significant.

[Richard]

Once again the Dutch are on the cutting edge of new social trends W00t

[Erik]

AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - Dutch pedophiles are launching a political party to push for a cut in the legal age for sexual relations to 12 from 16 and the legalization of child pornography and sex with animals, sparking widespread outrage.

So much outrage that, despite living in Amsterdam myself, I've never heared about this until reading this forum?

Without doing furter research I can already tell you that this is another 100% BS story about my country.
For some reason British/American media systematically invent stories to discredit us.
The fact that it comes from Reuters realy disappoints me about them (I always beleived they still had some credibility left)
Yes: we are all baby-eating devil worshippers here, now leave us alone!
And never mind that your abortion rates, euthanasia rates, devorce rates and murder rates are all at least twice has high as ours.

The Charity, Freedom and Diversity (NVD) party said on its Web site it would be officially registered Wednesday, proclaiming: "We are going to shake
The Hague awake!"

Op 31 mei wordt de partij officieel als vereniging opgericht bij de notaris. Die avond gaan on-line:

It says it wil be registered as a club, not as a political party.
Everybody can register themselves as club, but you need a lot more to become a political party.
For example: you need thousands of autographs from supporters, and you need to pay several thousands of euro's warranty (money you loose if you fail to get at least .7% of votes) before you can enter elections.

The NVD is in fact a rather pathetic group of 4 pedohiles who just made a website.
It's NOTHING compared to NAMBLA.

[danzig]

Somehow I knew Erik was going to post that as nothing negative ever happens in his country except when its evil right wingers doing it. You'll notice the article wasnt about the people but about the attempts of some people to form a party and it specifically says the VAST majority of people polled reject any such party from existing so it wasnt a knock on your country. Maybe should question why you arent hearing about it in your country instead of claiming some hidden agenda by big mean Reuters out to get you.

[Erik]

Somehow I knew Erik was going to post that as nothing negative ever happens in his country except when its evil right wingers doing it.

You know me too well.

You'll notice the article wasnt about the people but about the attempts of some people to form a party and it specifically says the VAST majority of people polled reject any such party from existing so it wasnt a knock on your country. Maybe should question why you arent hearing about it in your country instead of claiming some hidden agenda by big mean Reuters out to get you.

Well, I just added to my post proof that they did NOT form a political party, they formed a club like NAMBLA (only infinitely smaller).
So there: the story is complete BS.

And all Reuters needed to do was read the NVD homepage (I'm not linking to this page because I don't want to raise their status at Google, and I suspect forum rules also forbit this).

Update:
I just read the rest of their website (it's just 4 pages or so), and it does NOT say they think adults should be allowed to have sex with children.
It says they beleive children from age 12 should be allowed to have sex, but this implies with other children, not with adults.
NEWSFLAH: this is already happening all the time.
I beleive the avereage age to loose ones virginity is 16.
I lost mine when I was 18, so apparently at least somebody has had sex before he was at the legal age of 16.

[Mad Guitar Murphy]

So much outrage that, despite living in Amsterdam myself, I've never heared about this until reading this forum?

No time for a in depth response (is it even possible?) but I second this statement. I am Dutch and live in the Netherlands but have not heard anything about pedophiles and their political party. This story sounds like bs to me.

[hsimoorb]

The party also said everybody should be allowed to go naked in public and promotes legalizing all soft and hard drugs and free train travel for all

Seriously, is this a joke?

[Mad Guitar Murphy]

Seriously, is this a joke?

probably, completely ridiculous

'"We want to make pedophilia the subject of discussion," he said, adding the subject had been a taboo since the 1996 Marc Dutroux child abuse scandal in neighboring Belgium.''

ow, so that's why pedophilia is a taboo! because of a scandal! This is so ridiculous I am going to bang my head at the wall.

[Erik]

The party also said everybody should be allowed to go naked in public and promotes legalizing all soft and hard drugs and free train travel for all

Seriously, is this a joke?

Free public transport is the only non-joke part here.
It's been on my own "plitical agenda" for years.
It makes perfect macro-economic sense for my country.

even if they became a political party - how big are their chances of getting a majority? I would not exactly think they are huge.

They would need thousands of supporters just to earn a place on the voting ballot, and I can't see this happening.
Even a single seat in parliament is far beyond their reach.

Dude, read the Algemeen Dagblad (newspaper).

The AD is also the newspaper who run the opinion poll.
There was no "public outrage" but the people who visit the AD website filled out this poll, and the next day AD runs a story about the results of their OWN opinion poll.
[sarcasm]Journalist at it's best.[/sarcasm]

This is making news in stead of reporting news.
I guess there weren't enough real things to report on this week, so they created their own story to boost sales, nothing more.

-1 reputation to AD

[Roma Victa!]

Slightly awkward. If this can get its own political party, anything can. Oh well, at least they're out in the open, not hiding in an ice cream truck.

[Last Roman]

the point remains is that they are attempting to become a political party, which the title of of this thread suggests.

edit: misread, nm

[Ahlerich]

well but the fact that pedophiles even "come out" and form a group or club or whatever without beeing registered and sent to therapists is a little scary i think

[Erik]

well but the fact that pedophiles even "come out" and form a group or club or whatever without beeing registered and sent to therapists is a little scary i think

In the Netherlands you can't arrest people or force sombody to get therapy if they didn't commit a crime.
And we don't have "tought police", so expressing your opinion, no matter how perverse, is not a crime.
These civil liberties are very good thing IMO, btw, but that's another discussion.

But we don't have to worry: the police and secret service are all over these guys for sure.
I don't think they can read a single e-mail, visit a single website, or have a single telephone conversation without law enforcement listening in on them.
Getting you sexuality in the open is not a good idea if you plan to molest children you know.

[the Black Prince]

there's degrees of everything...

and there is a hell of a lot of difference between a man, especially a young man, who has a consensual relationship with a teen, and a lonely 40 something who rapes and abuses young boys for his please, and yet again from a priest or a teacher who abuses a position of trust to take advantage of the people in his care

[Shaun]

No, unforutunately this is no joke.
Thank gos its not in my country. And i find it annoying when people stil compare same sex marriage to pedophillia. Pedophillia os wrong, and i political party based on it is sinister. Yes, there should be tollerance for new things, but when it comes o legalizing pedophillia, its too far. Will somebody please think of the children?