Armoured Generals

**Bonez** · February 05, 2012, 10:29 AM

I was playing today as the Brutii in the middle of the civil war and the senate kept annihilating full stacks using almost nothing but their 5 or so general's body guards and a tiny bit of infantry.I may not be the best at battles but even when I had all of my troops in a 3/4 stack fighting one or two of them in a blob they were still getting destroyed.

I also had the same thing happen with another factions armoured body guards, one unit of them and some pretty bad infantry and they annihilated a half-stack... This was all before reforms, now my legionary cav seems capable of defeating their body guard units but I was just wondering if this is normal or what?

**Hopit** · February 05, 2012, 11:09 AM

no, that amount of suckiness is not normal

**LegolasGreenleaf** · February 05, 2012, 11:22 AM

Well, no offense, but this is the AI. If 1-2 generals were fighting about 15 units at the same time, they shouldn't win unless the 15 units in question are peasants or something.

But chill, it happens.

**Bonez** · February 05, 2012, 01:53 PM

Yeah I know it happens but I was just wondering, it was AI but the generals just won it out for some reason... I haven't even touched them in the EDU lately either...

**debux** · February 05, 2012, 05:51 PM

Well, those goddamned 2HP can be a

, honestly

I always freak out when I have to face more than 3 FM, especially if one has more than the normal quota of bodyguards. Just try to avoid their charge (many tricks to do that) and you'll be fine. I'm surprised that you're having trouble as Rome, just don't let your auxilia absorb the charge: they're not heavy enough.

... Or you could return to your modding, and avoid having OP FM's bodyguards in your mod

**BrokenLantern** · February 05, 2012, 05:59 PM

Use spear men.

**Bonez** · February 05, 2012, 06:05 PM

This was all pre marian but now that I am past the marian my legionary cav can take a body guard unit with 2 legion cav against one FM, I was posting to see if anyone else had this issue but thanks for all the semi-helpful posts.

**Stworca** · February 06, 2012, 04:41 AM

Originally Posted by bonez899

This was all pre marian.

From what i remember Triarii are actually better than Aux, so i see no issue here

If you want a pain train, try taking them Immortales / Invincibiles or Terminatores General Unit from Sassanid faction in BI on VH. Your units will die left and right regardless of all the encirclements in the world.

**XxAndrewxX2525** · February 05, 2012, 07:18 PM

it's not an issue .. you must be bad lol.

**Bonez** · February 05, 2012, 07:33 PM

I'm not bad... It was AI general cav and 3 units of them took on a 3/4 stack and won after I got the generals corraled and blobbed them with 3 units of triarii and several units of hastati and principes, while moving archers around to the least covered by my troops spot and firing fire arrows from point blank range... Anyway back on it I just decided that Debux's idea was good and now have no units with more than 1 hp except for elephant mounts... Solves one issue and doesn't really make another but I may retract my change to the chariots and give them a little more...