The Man and The God. Atheism as a reaction on the corruption of the religion.

[Atilla Reloaded]

In the past months I became very interested in philosophy and religion and of course I have thousands of new ideas. So there are some things that I want to dicuss with people here.

Actualy I never discussed philosophy before so I hope it will be a pleasure to me and looking through my ideas will be a pleasure to you. Most of my ideas arent' fully formed yet so pardon me if any of them are controversal or badly explained.

So, closer to the body...

I have studied various philosophical sources so I won't list them here but I will stop one one particular point that botheres me, a question of relations between humans and the God. If you want to know what particular philosophy I support, I may say that I follow may Nietzschean ideas.
Atheists are wellcome becasue any reasonabe point of view is acceptable for me. Actualy my philosophy both close and far to atheims. Those who belive usualy call me an atheist and atheists usualy say that I am no atheist and further I will try to explain you why.

I do belive in the supreme being. But I don't belive in existion of any gods the major religions belive in. Why? Because when I speak of a god, I speak about the theaching, the morality, the faith, not a "guy-on-the-sky". Any religion is a creation of the man. God ( when I say God I mean the supreme being, not the christian god and any other gods ) created the truth - the spiritual reality and the World - the matherial reality and the laws according to which they exist. But did the God created any religion? Did the God stated that pope must be the leading one in the christianity, did the God ordered to kill infidels, did the God created other gods?

There is only one true God, the creator and the Grand Architect of the universe, not a "guy-on-the-sky", as there is only one truth. What I am saying is not polytheism, I don't belive in such terms: pagans worship to many faces and monotheists worship only to one face, is there realy any real difference?
You may ask: "And what is the god?". Any god is just an illusion created humans. You may say:"But such religions as Christianity and Islam worship to the same god, but in the different ( very different ) ways. Isn't it a proof that despite having multiple religions there is only one god?" No, indeed there is only one God, but he have nothing common with the gods of religions. Just look at people that worship to thew same gods... One says that wealth and pleasure is a sin, other says that wealth is god's blessig, next one talks that killing any human is a sin, and the last one thinks that killing an infidel is a one more step to the doors of heaven. Don't you think they are speaking about smome different gods?
The gods are mortal. Yes, they are. They die as soon as people that created them forget their teachings, just as christians killed their god ( no, I'm not saying that christians are bad, they aren't, but generaly their church is corrupted. It became corrupted when christians decided to have a church rather than have a faith and died when popes became to rule rather than to teach. ) just as many other gods died with their teachings when people simply forgot about them.

In what I belive and in what I don't belive -

I belive in the God and the Man. I don't belive in the gods and religions that proclaim that they are the only true ones and that people must wirship their gods, build them temples and praise them every minute.

I belive in the Man, in the Man that must become something more that he is. One of my favorite books is "Thus spoke Zarathustra". I absolutely agree with all what Zarathustra says. But there is something Zarathustra did not knew.

Yes, god is dead, he was right, but the God cannot die as the truth cannot die and he, Zarathustra was his prophet, and it was the God's truth that Zarathustra belived in. Why?

Why do the God needs humans? To have a huge horde of moral slaves that worship him, praise him, buld him temples. Did he need us to deflect his own light?
The God did not need religions. The God did not need tamples for himself. The God did not need us to worship and praise him. The God even don't need us to belive he exists.

The God need us to be better humans, to defeat everything that weaken us, everything that corrupts us, to make ourselves the true humans, not the half-animals, everything I want to say on this point was already said by Nietzsche.
The God need the Man to became the Overman and in this his truth will prevail. And do we belive thay he exists... this is of no importance.



The truth is that there is a God?...
The truth is that there is no God?...
The thruth is that this of no importance for us...



At any point human will remain a human and to became a better human - this is what we must make in our life, not to worship the "guy-on-the-sky"...




This is the longest article I ever wrote here...

It's late now and I will go to have a rest now without checking what I have written, so pardon me for any grammar mistakes. I will check this thread in the morning, tomorrow I want to write some of my thoughts on what realy is The Laws of The God and about the prophets. This theme is interething for me so I will be personaly gratefull to everyone who discuss it whatever his opinion is.

[apostate]

its always nice when somebody puts his mind to work no matter what his conclusion is in the end

next time he will start from this conclusion he ended up now and he may reach another conclusion making steps forward

the key is that people shouldnt afraid of change but pursue change as that is life itself

its also nice and very useful to read books of clever dudes

[Musashi]

Whoa.... that's just... If I would believe in God, it would surely be something in your way of thinking. However, cince there really is'nt any proof of any cind of God, not even you're cind. I dont think that the fact that people worship or believe in God or Gods proves the existence of any God eather and since when thinking about God in youre way the believing and worshipping part is useles anyhow it's just pointles to argue against or for the argument.

Still in my opinion the atheist way of thinking is also besides believing only in prooven facts also thinking with your own prain and not accepting anyones illucions I would have to say that in anycase you are in the right bath. Providing as long as you are not planning to make a new religion that ends up killing them selfs as waiting some meteor to pick them for a ride.

[IamthePope]

The gods are mortal. Yes, they are. They die as soon as people that created them forget their teachings, just as christians killed their god ( no, I'm not saying that christians are bad, they aren't, but generaly their church is corrupted. It became corrupted when christians decided to have a church rather than have a faith and died when popes became to rule rather than to teach. ) just as many other gods died with their teachings when people simply forgot about them.

Best explanation of Nietzche ever. But I believe this might be a misreading of history based on the english historical tradition and the the misguided caricaturization of religion by protestants and the enlightenment. Other than that Nietzche's awesome, and I agree with alot of what you said. GJ