This, or ETW?

So, I got a new PC capable of playing ETW and NTW on High lag free, but I can only afford one and I will like to know which one you guys recommend to me.
Here are a few questions.
1. Which one has the most fun campaign?
2. Which has the best UI (I am a noob at gunpowdery )?
3. Which has better multiplayer?
4. Which has more diversity?
5. Which have the most fun battles?
6. Which has the biggest feel of epicness?
7. Which have the most brutal campaign?
and last, which has the longest campaign?
I hope you guys help me decide which one to get Thanks

Well I would recommend Empire Total War to you. Albeit it is the older of both titles it has far more scope.
Napoleon unfortunately is limited to a European map even though the conflicts of that time were of global scale.
Empire Total War however features Europe, North Africa, parts of North and South America, Persia and the Indian Sub-Continent.
You will also have much more factions and slightly better moddability with Empire!

Originally Posted by Taraphir

You will also have much more factions and slightly better worse moddability with Empire!

1. Which one has the most fun campaign? -Depends what you like napoleon is much more balanced and has a better ai.
2. Which has the best UI (I am a noob at gunpowdery )? Napoleon x 100
3. Which has better multiplayer? Probably etw due to more diversity and players but more unbalanced, if you want to play with a friend ntw.
4. Which has more diversity? Etw
5. Which have the most fun battles? Sameish
6. Which has the biggest feel of epicness? Empire
7. Which have the most brutal campaign? Napoleon
and last, which has the longest campaign? Empire probably but napoleons is pretty long but short enough to make it a struggle.
I hope you guys help me decide which one to get Thanks

I know you can only afford one, but on Steam Napoleon And Empire Total War Game of the year pack is only $29.99 and comes with all expansions for both games so thta is a good thing to look at

I prefer ETW personally. Although it was a mess on releaseit is now much improved. There are some excellent mods for it on the TW ETW section. I like the Darthmod versions of both NTW and ETW found in the Hosted Mods sections.

Personally I prefer NTW, ETW has way to long of end turns for it to be fun... you spend more time waiting than playing.

They both suck. Don't waste your money.

Originally Posted by Alcibiades429

They both suck. Don't waste your money.

Why are you here? Go bawl somewhere else- seriously.

I also would say that Empire has more diversity and replayability, but Nap has vastly superior battle mechanics. If you are buying retail- they come bundled together, so it shouldn't be an issue.

Originally Posted by Alcibiades429

They both suck. Don't waste your money.

truer words have rarely been spoken.

Originally Posted by cinco

truer words have rarely been spoken.

Thannk you

http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/napoleon-to...1075020p1.html

Totally true. Dont waste your money on either

So, I should get Empire? The only thing I don't like about Empire is that the map has very few provinces, I will surprised if Europe has 40 (France only 1 so with Spain and other faction...) regions in it and even more if the world has 100 regions. Is there a mod that adds more regions to the game? Thanks.

Well suh it really depends on what you are in the mood for and what historical period you like. If you like a broader more open campaign style you would like Empire as the three theaters (Americas, Indian, and European) have huge potential for gameplay and many different styles. It's not that Napoleon is worse. Far from it. If you like the Napoleonic wars then of course choose Napoleon.

On a gamplay or which game is better polished overall I think you will find Napoleon to be better polished. In Empire the Battle AI is plagued with a bug that gives the AI the tendency to chicken dance. It has been very much fixed over the patches; but they still tend to do so from time to time. The Chicken Dance is when the computer controlled faction will march it's forces toward you, stop, then move their left flank to the right, their middle units to the left, turn around and walk back to their "starting" positions and then walk forward in a new formation. It varies what it will do; but it still happens from time to time. In Napoleon Total War the BAI is better polished. Units behave in a more determined fashion and fight better. In Empire you will also get the AI attacking your entire army with single units in an uncoordinated way. Napoleon there is a better unit cohesion with other units.

Now with this said, you will get unit firing drills in Empire. Fire by rank, platoon fire, mass volleys, etc. While Napoleon TW there are no firing drills. They fire at will once commanded to open ranged combat. But there are mods in Napoleon that use fire drills.

If you take a look at the campaign AI then you will get about same performance in my opinion. In both EMpire and Nappy Total War I find that even with many CAI mods the hard coded campaign AI is weak. You will see in both games factions starting wars and NEVER ending them. Only rare occasions does a faction war stop with another factions without the complete destruction of that faction. If you like that idea of TOTAL WAR, then ok; but these wars of total destruction happen far too frequently in my opinion. Also, in both games you will see poor cooperation from your allies. I have seen in both games a mutual lack of aggressiveness on the AI when they are being invaded by an enemy faction. It's breaks the flow and mood of the game when you see an ally allowing a small enemy stack to destroy a province only to find that the province your ally controlled had two or three times the strength in a neighboring province and did not do anything to stop it. It's also frustrating when you are being besieged on one of your provinces by a mutual enemy and your neighboring ally has four full stacks that they just park and never move. Where is the ally help like in previous Total War series?

One final note is that the new way the CAI determines it's diplomacy is very linear to me. There seems to be little randomness in each factions on who your enemies will be. I find that in both Empire and Napoleon the campaign to feel scripted. In Napoleon more so than Empire.

With all that said, overall both games are playable. You will not have perfect games with either program and there are MANY mods that improve the gameplay and AI and add a host of other options. Some mods in both games give you a national supply to worry about and a few other features not in the stock versions of either game. All in all, if you can afford both games get both games and the Downloadable content from STEAM. But, if you can only get one game I would have to say get Empire. Only because it came out first. Play Empire and once you have had some fun then buy Nappy when you can and you will not be disappointed!

Cheers!

Well both are fun games, however if i can influence you by the number of hours that i have played both games then for napoleon it was 266 hours and 1156 hours for Empire. I love Empire more because their has a focus on colonies while Napoleon is just Europe for the main campaign.

Napoleon is the better made game but for playability it has to be Empire as you have so many theatres. Out of the 2 I'd go for Empire.

Well guys, thanks for the help! I am going to get Empire first and then wait some time to get Napoleon (if I buy them together my mom will come with a discourse about the importance of clothes and shoes and the lack of money ) and hope that Rome 2 comes out soon

Originally Posted by prdude1234

Well guys, thanks for the help! I am going to get Empire first and then wait some time to get Napoleon (if I buy them together my mom will come with a discourse about the importance of clothes and shoes and the lack of money ) and hope that Rome 2 comes out soon

This sounds like a good choice. One thing I did not see mentioned here is Crossfire compatability. This is probably not an issue for you, but IF you are running a Crossfire setup (like me) Empire will not work with 2 graphics cards, but thus far Napoleon has worked flawlessly for me in Crossfire mode. Good luck and have fun with Empire, it is a great game.

Yeah that's a good choice. Napoleon is a great game with some nice new features. But it has a much more limited scope. I really enjoy being in Empire's time frame where you have so many options. Lots of fun planning your invasions of the Americas or the Indian subcontinent. Anyway, hope you have fun! I would make sure to check out the mods for Empire, especially Darthmod. Adds lots to the game! Really worth playing!

Both are good games..great with mods. I just picked up Napoleon for ~$9 at G2play.

Depends really.. what do you prefer, fast paced tactical battles, or a big strategic map management? Both games have the mentioned, but NTW has more intense battles, and ETW has a much wider map, but somewhat duller battles.

Even so despite ETW map it has many important colonial places missing as conquerable/manageable settlements/factions (Brazil and east indies company for example)

Both are good so you probably won't be disappointed, but I personally prefer NTW for the more intense battles. ETW is also a good game though. Clocked 264 hours on NTW and 71 hours on ETW, if this helps you choose.