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    Well, not that anyone is really all that surprised but here it is laid bare, BBC got their hands on a leaked NATO report on the Taliban and Pakistan links. Really looking forward to how this develops.

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    Pakistan is helping Afghan Taliban, says Nato report


    The Taliban in Afghanistan are being directly assisted by Pakistani security services, according to a secret Nato report seen by the BBC.

    The leaked report, derived from thousands of interrogations, claims the Taliban remain defiant and have wide support among the Afghan people.

    It alleges that Pakistan knows the locations of senior Taliban leaders.

    A BBC correspondent says the report is painful reading for international forces and the Afghan government.

    Pakistan has strenuously denied any links with the Taliban on previous occasions.

    "We have long been concerned about ties between elements of the ISI and some extremist networks," said US Pentagon spokesman Captain John Kirby, adding that the US Defence Department had not seen the report.

    'Informational'
    The BBC's Quentin Sommerville in Kabul says the report - on the state of the Taliban - fully exposes for the first time the relationship between the Pakistani intelligence service (ISI) and the Taliban.

    The report is based on material from 27,000 interrogations with more than 4,000 captured Taliban, al-Qaeda and other foreign fighters and civilians.

    It notes: "Pakistan's manipulation of the Taliban senior leadership continues unabatedly". It says that Pakistan is aware of the locations of senior Taliban leaders.

    The report states: "As this document is derived directly from insurgents it should be considered informational and not necessarily analytical."

    Despite Nato's strategy to secure the country with Afghan forces, the secret document details widespread collaboration between the insurgents and Afghan police and military.

    Lt Col Jimmie Cummings, a spokesman for Nato's International Security Assistance Force (Isaf) in Afghanistan, said the document was "a classified internal document that is not meant to be released to the public".

    "It is a matter of policy that documents that are classified are not discussed under any circumstances," he said.

    The report also depicts the depth of continuing support among the Afghan population for the Taliban, our correspondent says.

    It paints a picture of al-Qaeda's influence diminishing but the Taliban's influence increasing, he adds.

    Taliban Influence

    In a damning conclusion, the document says that in the last year there has been unprecedented interest, even from members of the Afghan government, in joining the Taliban cause.

    It adds: "Afghan civilians frequently prefer Taliban governance over the Afghan government, usually as a result of government corruption."

    The report has evidence that the Taliban are purposely hastening Nato's withdrawal by deliberately reducing their attacks in some areas and then initiating a comprehensive hearts-and-minds campaign.

    It says that in areas where Isaf has withdrawn, Taliban influence has increased, often with little or no resistance from government security forces. And in many cases, with the active help of the Afghan police and army.

    When foreign soldiers leave, Afghan security forces are expected to take control.

    However according to the report, rifles, pistols and heavy weapons have been sold by Afghan security forces in bazaars in Pakistan.
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    Seriously, **** them. They deserve to have a Taliban stronghold next door just as much as Afghans deserve to live under the Taliban.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s.rwitt View Post
    Seriously, **** them. They deserve to have a Taliban stronghold next door just as much as Afghans deserve to live under the Taliban.
    No your nation may get ****ed if after ten years word super power begs peaceful and respectful retreat from 'cave dwellers' of Afghanistan. And seriously, is this now world media's impartiality standard? They believe on some 'Nato's "leaked" document' as a source against Pakistan? Or they were never impartial but equal partners in US/UK bully against weak nations?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poet View Post
    No your nation may get ****ed if after ten years word super power begs peaceful and respectful retreat from 'cave dwellers' of Afghanistan. And seriously, is this now world media's impartiality standard? They believe on some 'Nato's "leaked" document' as a source against Pakistan? Or they were never impartial but equal partners in US/UK bully against weak nations?
    ....or they got access to something that they weren't supposed to see, hence the brutal honesty of the piece. Not everything is a conspiracy Poet.
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    Unfortunately, there are entire countries and panethnic groups where conspiracy theory is a way of life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poet View Post
    No your nation may get ****ed if after ten years word super power begs peaceful and respectful retreat from 'cave dwellers'
    That's a very offensive way to describe the people of Pakistan and Afghanistan.

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    shocking...is that why all those FOB's are on the border?
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    Seriously though, anyone with half a brain knows that Pakistan actively supports the Taliban and LeT. They will continue doing so, and all military aid given to them is used against a potential war with India rather than eradicating terrorism in their own country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eikki View Post
    Seriously though, anyone with half a brain knows that Pakistan actively supports the Taliban and LeT. They will continue doing so, and all military aid given to them is used against a potential war with India rather than eradicating terrorism in their own country.
    War with India is a huge stretch but i agree with rest. Pakistani government is incompetent to say the least...

    Um...Taliban had Osama Bin Laden? did they stole him from Al Qaeda?....

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    In other news, the sun still rose in the east this morning.
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    The leaked report, derived from thousands of interrogations, claims the Taliban remain defiant and have wide support among the Afghan people

    Despite Nato's strategy to secure the country with Afghan forces, the secret document details widespread collaboration between the insurgents and Afghan police and military.
    So not only are the Pakistanis helping them, the Taliban have "widespread support" in Afghanistan and this support is also manifesting as support from the ANA and police.

    Time to leave then. We had a good go at it for 11 years. I guess we didnt want it enough.




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    What should we have done different Heinz?

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    Quote Originally Posted by s.rwitt View Post
    What should we have done different Heinz?
    not gone in the first place. demand OBL and his Lts to be tried in the ICJ or negotiate his handover like the Taliban offered. The Taliban knew they were in trouble and they would have given them up for regime security. and definately not bother with invading Iraq to help install a Tehran friendly regime.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian View Post
    not gone in the first place. demand OBL and his Lts to be tried in the ICJ or negotiate his handover like the Taliban offered. The Taliban knew they were in trouble and they would have given them up for regime security. and definately not bother with invading Iraq to help install a Tehran friendly regime.
    The Taliban offered to turn him over to an Islamic tribunal in a country they deemed "Neutral"

    On October 4, the Taliban agreed to turn bin Laden over to Pakistan for trial in an international tribunal[81] that operated according to Islamic Sharia law, but Pakistan blocked the offer as it was not possible to guarantee his safety
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian View Post
    not gone in the first place. demand OBL and his Lts to be tried in the ICJ or negotiate his handover like the Taliban offered. The Taliban knew they were in trouble and they would have given them up for regime security. and definately not bother with invading Iraq to help install a Tehran friendly regime.
    Problem is, how would've our Government known that? Even governments aren't perfect you know.


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    They didn't want it enough
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    Since when do the Taliban have "Widespread support" in Afghanistan?

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-...ng-poll-finds/
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    That was their opening offer. We should have come back with a counter offer. Then they would give a bit. Then us. Then them. Then OBL in that Supermax in Denver. Would have saved alot of lives and alot of money. And when we do leave Afghanistan (and we will very soon), we wouldnt be as hated by that part of the world as we are now.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian View Post
    That was their opening offer. We should have come back with a counter offer. Then they would give a bit. Then us. Then them. Then OBL in that Supermax in Denver. Would have saved alot of lives and alot of money. And when we do leave Afghanistan (and we will very soon), we wouldnt be as hated by that part of the world as we are now.
    And we'd all be here talking about how stupid it was thinking arresting Osama Bin Laden would destroy Al Queda.

    And Afghans don't hate us for the most part. Some do, of course, but it's mostly just a fear of the Talibs that gets in the way.
    ce when do the Taliban have "Widespread support" in Afghanistan
    They don't but just play along.
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    Quote Originally Posted by s.rwitt View Post
    And we'd all be here talking about how stupid it was thinking arresting Osama Bin Laden would destroy Al Queda.
    You cant destroy AQ if it has a grassroot feeder mechanism. This same mechanism of underrepresentation and the feeling of being oppressed led to the Arab spring. Many of the AQ fighters are/were from countries like Libya, Tunisia, Egypt and especially Saudi Arabia. Representation across the Middle East is what will destroy AQ, not bombs. Look at Ayman Al-Zakawi, he's an Egyptian Anti-Mubarak zealot.

    When we leave A-stan, and when representation comes to places like Saudi and the Gulf States, AQ will wither away. THe best thing America can do to fight radical Islam is to fund and help with regime change in the Gulf States.




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