Medieval 2 America Campaign

[Hoplite of Ilis]

.....I've been thinking. Shouldn't the america campaign be more of a bloodbath when playing with the european factions? I mean come on! The europeans are better in every way, the natives are just swarming, and still they manage to hold their ground armed with cricket weapons and dressed in pajama armor! I expcted this campaign to be more fun. Any mods for me???

[Anakarsis]

mmmm the bloodbath was mostly against the organized states, not in all the continent and in every place. Check out what happened to the spaniards in Patagonia and how they were forced to recognize the Mapuche alliance as an independent state in 1640. Check how everybody performed against the Caribbeans. Many peoples were never subdued until the XIX century and was NOT for lack of interest or logistics alone, was the adaptative capacity of the natives.

[Himster]

The natives were well trained, diciplined and organised numbering in the millions. The spanish used underhand tactics, took advantage of a civil war, religious turmoil, assassination, a massive plague and most importantly they used natives, thousands of them. Steel, horses and guns didn't do as much damage as their allies, whom they later betrayed, and germs.

The game is a blood bath, but europeans didn't historically kill that many face to face, they were too smart and lucky for that.

[NobleNick]

.....I've been thinking. Shouldn't the america campaign be more of a bloodbath when playing with the european factions? I mean come on! The europeans are better in every way, the natives are just swarming, and still they manage to hold their ground armed with cricket weapons and dressed in pajama armor! I expcted this campaign to be more fun. Any mods for me???

Superior in every way except TWO:

1.) The Europeans in the advance guard were devastatingly outnumbered: "...furthermore, they had calculated that if we killed 25,000 of them for every one of us, they would be through with us first..."

2.) The natives were zealous, fearless, and therefore surprisingly effective in melee with those shard-encrusted cricket bats.

Dress me up in a tin suit, musket and/or sword; to face 25,000 enraged native warriors? Even if I get the luxury of meeting them "only" 5 at a time (only 5,000 groups to wade through)? Eh, no thanks, I'll pass...

BTW, I did very much enjoy the Americas campaign. I think I played more time in that expansion (every long campaign except one, so far) than all the rest of M2TW combined.