Rhun Loke Gamp rim

[Sinister9]

Hello,
I thought that Loke gamp rim had also "effective against armor" bonus, but i this version they do not...so they are now weaker than for example goblin halberds. I think it's quite bad because it is quite expensive unit and their attack power is low and their armor too....so thier effectivity is not so awesome even wit long halberds...which isnt rly halberd now?

+ Loke Innas rim seems to be perfectly armored but they fails like flies and are hard to get as all Dragon regiments When I played yesturday and used Dark Numenorians against a unit of pelargir marines, gondor militia and archers in melee all at once, I let them in that crowd and lost only few of them...I can't expect that from golden rhunic bodyguards...I liked their armor stat in RR/RC

what a rebel post I did...haha, what is your opinion?

[lolIsuck]

You could easily change that yourself in the EDU

This should also probably go in the suggestions thread no matter how rebel you are

[Nemesis_GR]

They are pikemen not halberdiers.But their pikes are shorter than others...

[Khay]

From The Palantir pdf older version it seems they didn't have AP in TATW 2.4 either.
Pikemen have all low defense value, because of how overpowered the pike formation is (yeah, until its broken, of course). I'm personnaly not a huge fan of balancing them through super low armor value, it quite ruins the immersion to me, to see them with the same armor than their other dragon buddies but dissimilar stats, and i would prefer to see them balanced through price/rarity, but well, not a big deal to change that myself the day i'll feel like it.

[k/t]

Your mistake is playing without RR/RC. Someone made it for TA 3.0, so you can try it out.

Here are the stats of Rhun's golden halberdiers in 1.4:

type Rhunnic Pikemen
dictionary Rhunnic_Pikemen ; Rhunnic Pikemen, Elite
category infantry
class spearmen
voice_type Heavy
banner faction main_spear
banner holy crusade
soldier rhunpi, 48, 0, 1.725
officer rhun_captain_early_flag
mount_effect horse +2, camel +2, elephant -4
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, hardy, can_withdraw, free_upkeep_unit
move_speed_mod 0.75
formation 1.2, 1.2, 2.4, 2.4, 4, square, phalanx
stat_health 1, 2
stat_pri 10, 6, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, piercing, axe, 90, 1
stat_pri_attr ap, light_spear
stat_sec 0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, melee_simple, blunt, none, 0, 1
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 10, 10, 0, metal ; lamellar + plates + slung shield, defense 5 + agility 1 + elite 2 + phalanx 2
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 6
stat_ground 0, -1, 0, -1
stat_mental 15, normal, highly_trained, lock_morale
stat_charge_dist 6
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 800, 300, 75, 75,800, 4, 100
armour_ug_levels 4, 5
armour_ug_models rhunpi, rhunpi_upg
ownership venice
era 0 venice
era 1 venice
era 2 venice
recruit_priority_offset 80


They are very tough, and even dwarves have trouble with them.

[Mhaedros]

If someone made it for 3.0, why the heck are you still playing 1.4????

[k/t]

Why would I play 3.0 when 1.4 is fine?

[Mhaedros]

Becuase of the nice new map/units/custom settlements? I only think it's wierd, but I fully respect your opinion

[k/t]

The old units are fine, and I don't care about custom settlements. I prefer Point Blank's take on things. All the factions are the same now, with the same kinds of units.

[Mhaedros]

True, but the textures of the campaign map are new, and much better

[k/t]

See my post here: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...=501803&page=2

I don't care about looks that much. That she be able to cook is far more important.

[Nemesis_GR]

Come on k/t give my updated RC version a chance!Especially when PB finishes RC2.0 and everything is updated to it you should definately try it.

RC 1.4.1 changed the rhunnic pikemen to halberdiers.The problem is their weapon is long for a halberd and short for a pike...I decided to keep em as pikemen since thats how KK intended them to be.
Btw AUM has an excellent unit of proper halberdiers.(altough most of AUM units ruin the balance).

[kraxmause]

Back to topic: I don't get your problem Sinister9, they are still armor piercing:


type Rhunnic Elite Infantry
dictionary Rhunnic_Elite_Infantry ; Rhunnic Elite Infantry
category infantry
class heavy
voice_type Heavy
banner faction main_infantry
banner holy crusade
soldier Dismounted_Huscarls, 60, 0, 1.2
officer rhun_captain_early_flag
mount_effect elephant -4
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, can_withdraw, free_upkeep_unit
formation 1.2, 1.2, 2.4, 2.4, 4, square
stat_health 1, 3
stat_pri 6, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, blunt, mace, 25, 1
stat_pri_attr ap
stat_sec 0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, melee_simple, blunt, none, 0, 1
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 8, 5, 4, metal
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 2
stat_ground 0, 1, 0, -2
stat_mental 16, disciplined, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 15
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 740, 300, 100, 100, 740, 2, 250
armour_ug_levels 3, 4
armour_ug_models rhunei, rhunei_upg
ownership venice
era 0 venice
era 1 venice
era 2 venice
recruit_priority_offset 10

[Sinister9]

Hmmm....well I didnt like the result, I sent a goblin halberds on them ...goblins lost only 16 soldiers and Loke Gamp rim were masacred, who didnt run...and they are less and more expensive

The idea they have no AP bonus was in fact the battle in Moria when in a close hall I sent 2 units (302 men) in spearwall formation against 70 woodland warriors and 40 swordmen and if I wouldnt send there Flag rim and later all my 3 generals I would lost them (even with help of others 160 died +_+ )...they managed to kill only 5 woodland warriors and about 20 swordmen AND that bonus isnt written in their description so I thought they do not have it... and honestly, I have no editing skills, so I donť even know where to look to get such detailed description so....sorry o: )

So RR/RC is ready for 3.1?? I suspect I will ahve to play all ma campaigns again, right?

[Sinister9]

So they are pikemen now...so I can forget on this nice animation for them? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCSXc...ailpage#t=375s

[k/t]

Krax, you posted the mace/shield guys instead of the pike/halberd ones. That's why they have AP. The pike/halberd ones wouldn't have a shield.

Apparently Nemesis_GR was the one I was thinking of, haha. Try his RR/RC; it vastly improves the game (well, assuming it keeps with the spirit of PB's original work).

[Sinister9]

Ah really!
Well I trid RC of Nemesis, it's nice But lack of AP of the crossbowman was quite shocking, because I recruited them especially against dwarves and it doesn't work so anymore How is it possible to lower their missile attack a little but give them AP bonus back?
And black numenorians are like killing-frenzy avalanche crushing quite alone gondorian armies one by one...

[k/t]

Crossbows lacking AP makes perfect sense. There is nothing inherent to a crossbow bolt that makes it pierce armour. It just hits harder than an arrow, and this is represented by its higher attack. I use RR/RC and crossbows are very useful against armoured units, including High Elf infantry and cavalry and Dwarves. No projectile should ever have AP. If you want overpowered, unrealistic crossbows, go to the EDU, find the unit you want to ruin, find this line


stat_pri 6, 4

and change the first number to whatever you want. Then find this line

stat_pri_attr

and change it to

stat_pri_attr area, ap

[Nemesis_GR]

I agree with k/t.
AP makes missile weapons(bow,crossbow,javelin) extremely overpowered and it doesnt make sense.I remember playing milan in vannilla mtw2 and their crossbows raped everything...
Crossbows are still effective against heavy armored units since they get higher attack than bows.

Rhun gets a couple AP infantry units so you shouldnt have a problem with the dwarves.Rhunnic elite mace infantry is one of the best units in the game.
Btw Rhun gets the best economy,second best starting position and the best all around units roster...T_T

[Sinister9]

I remember playing milan in vannilla mtw2 and their crossbows raped everything...

It's because crossbow raped everything in real too It has to be terrible to be a noble in a shiny nice expensive plate amor, all life spent with studies and art of war and then to be killed by some pleb soldier from a distance (but some english bows were able to pierce breast plate too)....It was also a reason why the crossbow was some time prohibited by the church as unchristian non-knightly weapon. This is why all crossbowmen are MUST KILL target always ] but nvm...

But you are right, playing Rhun is so relaxing. Just macemen are infantry and I cannot have balcoth tribesman next to my golden regiments! How it would look like? Dragon armored legion and around them running some tribesmen in pyjamas

But I got another worse problem than this "detail" which surprised me a little...
Nemesis_GR, I have yoused your "RC for Vanilla 1.3-new armor system" and few units sometimes (rohan milita, uruk raiders, orc looters...) have a pic of RTW peasant and ? instead of stats and in battle they are silver...what did I do wrong? I've only copied the files where it was written. Do you know how could i fix it?