VALKYRIE*

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    RonPrice said:

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    Once one has learned to experience a poem as a poem, there inevitably arrives a sense that one is also experiencing oneself as a human being. I find this especially true of autobiographical prose-poetry which is the main genre of poetry that I write. This experiencing of oneself as a human being, of course, can be experienced by we humans in a myriad of ways. The English poet and cultural critic Matthew Arnold(1822-1888) was attempting to describe this effect of poetry on the writer, and hopefully readers, when he referred to "that grand power of poetry...to awaken in us a wonderfully full, new and intimate sense of things and our relations with them."1

    I would not have understood these words of Arnold’s in the years before I became a poet but, I now have this feeling, after at least two decades of extensive poetizing(1992-2012). This feeling is renewed after writing each poem.

    As I write this revision of the poem Valkyrie, after watching the film Valkyriefor a second time this week, this same feeling was renewed. Valkyrie a 2008 American historical thriller set in Nazi Germany during World War II. It depicts the 20 July plot in 1944 by German army officers to assassinate Adolf Hitler and to use the Operation Valkyrie national emergency plan to take control of the country2. –Ron Price with thanks to 1J. Ciardi, How Does A Poem Mean, 2nd edition, Houghton Mifflin and Co., Boston, 1959, p. 3; 2Wikipedia, and *In Norse mythology a Valkyrie is a term from Old Norse, valkyrja, meaning "chooser of the slain." It is one of a host of female figures who decides who falls and dies in battle.

    It was turning at last
    against them and those
    conspirators very nearly
    assassinated him, just 3
    days before I was born.1

    It was turning at last
    to another terrible kind
    of darkness: worse, far
    worse, than that old war.
    It was then that I was born:
    at the beginning of this new
    darkness, fifty years after
    the birth of an old Light,2
    a Light which seems to
    spread more slowly, so
    slowly, unobtrusively, so
    as not be seen as a threat,
    at least not in these times.

    As a great darkness and its
    encompassing gloom spreads
    again, slough of despond, as
    those troubled forecasts of
    doom do battle with phantoms
    of the many wrongly informed
    imaginations and our days pass
    swiftly as the twinkle of a star
    at this crucial turning point of a
    juncture in history. And as I try
    to make my mark: unbeknownst.3

    Of course, it all depends on what
    you look at now and in that century
    of Light when seeds were and are
    being scattered for many harvests
    ahead as well as their sweet and
    bountiful luxuriance & verdure.

    1 An assassination attempt on Hitler's life was made on 20 July 1944, three days before I was born. Operation Valkyrie was a German Army plan that was converted into an attempted coup d'état. This coup d’etat failed after the 20 July 1944 plot. The 2008 film Valkyrie was based on events surrounding the operation. By 23/7/’44 the Nazis had begun to round-up and kill all the conspirators.
    2 fifty years after the birth of the Baha'i Faith in North America in 1894.
    3 Universal House of Justice, April 1999.

    Ron Price
    31 August 1998 to 30 January 2012
    Last edited by RonPrice; January 29, 2012 at 11:25 PM. Reason: to add some words
     
  2. Shogun Katsumi said:

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    This movie is a total joke.
    It's the copy of a German movie released in 2004 called "Stauffenberg" with Sebastian Koch.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stauffenberg_(film)

    Exactly the same movie at 99%, they just replaced the German actors by American actors...
    A joke, a shame.
     
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    DisgruntledGoat said:

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    Considering its a historical film its gonna be kinda like every other film on the subject. It kinda has to be.
     
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    paradamed said:

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    I agree, how would they make it any different. The only thing they could possibly change was somehow the personality of the characters. And to be honest I liked the Tom Cruise one. The only problem is the germans speaking english but even that was dissolved cause they start speaking german and they move to english giving an impression the english language is just for the understanding of the american audience but reminding us they are still germans. I think it is a good movie. One movie that touchs the subject and I think it was a good movie was "The desert fox: the story of Erwin Rommel". I recommend it.
     
  5. SturmChurro said:

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    Quote Originally Posted by paradamed View Post
    I agree, how would they make it any different. The only thing they could possibly change was somehow the personality of the characters. And to be honest I liked the Tom Cruise one. The only problem is the germans speaking english but even that was dissolved cause they start speaking german and they move to english giving an impression the english language is just for the understanding of the american audience but reminding us they are still germans. I think it is a good movie. One movie that touchs the subject and I think it was a good movie was "The desert fox: the story of Erwin Rommel". I recommend it.
    It wasn't even the English for me it was the American and British accents.

    Still was a pretty decent film.
     
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    Ketnix said:

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    Quote Originally Posted by UCMENOMOR View Post
    It wasn't even the English for me it was the American and British accents.

    Still was a pretty decent film.
    Yup, the accents broke alot of my imersion. If they had German accents but speaking english that would of been fine. I enjoyed the movie still.
     
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    Pinarius said:

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    I disagree with that. Realistism in this context would be to let actors, who are supposed to be German, simply speak German, but English with a German accent is probably even more fake then letting them talk like they naturally would.
     
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    Ketnix said:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinarius View Post
    I disagree with that. Realistism in this context would be to let actors, who are supposed to be German, simply speak German, but English with a German accent is probably even more fake then letting them talk like they naturally would.
    Oh of course I have no issue watching foriegn films but when Valkyrie was pushed to be popular Hollywood flick deeper accents I think would of made it more believable for the average movie go-er (SP?).