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    Default Meanwhile in Iraq security deteriorates

    http://edition.cnn.com/2012/01/27/wo...html?hpt=hp_t3

    (CNN) -- A suicide car bomber targeting a Shiite funeral procession in Baghdad killed dozens Friday, the latest attack in a country engulfed by political crisis and an uptick in violence.
    At least 31 people died and 60 others were wounded, two police officials said. The bombing occurred as mourners were heading toward a hospital in Baghdad's Zafarniya district to recover the bodies of relatives shot the night before, officials said.
    The blast is the latest in a series of attacks, raising fears of a return to the sectarian violence of the previous decade when the Sunni-Shiite hostilities engulfed Iraq at the height of the war.
    The bloodshed has generated uncertainty about the ability of Iraqi security forces to ensure order, particularly after the United States withdrew troops at the end of 2011, as well as fear about the future.
    "The situation is worsening," said Hamit Dardagan, co-founder and principal analyst of the London-based Iraq Body Count, a group that tracks civilian deaths. And Ramzy Mardini, research analyst at the Institute for the Study of War, said, "Sectarian politics in Iraq is setting the stage for armed conflict."





    New fears of Iraq violence
    Most of those killed in recent weeks were Shiite pilgrims marking Arbaeen, the end of a 40-day mourning period, officials said. Mardini said Iraqi security forces have also been targeted. Those forces stationed in Baghdad have a large Shiite presence.
    According to Iraq Body Count, civilian deaths reached their peak in 2006 and 2007, with 28,250 and 25,063, respectively. They dropped to 9,385 in 2008 and then plateaued the next three years -- 4,713 in 2009, 4,045 in 2010 and 4,087 in 2011.
    In the last five months, there have been 398 deaths in August, 394 in September, 355 in October, 272 in November and 371 in December.
    Dardagan said Friday's attack would bring January's deaths to more than 400.
    "It's not like a radical, huge jump," he said. "It sort of shows a constant level of violence that doesn't seem to let up. Just recently, it's been worsening."
    He added, "One thing we are seeing recently is the rise in the kind of large-scale bombings that are very difficult to control. You can't search the boot of every car."
    As for the political ferment, Iraq's Shiite, Sunni and Kurdish leaders have squared off in recent weeks over an arrest warrant for Sunni Vice President Tariq al-Hashimi, who is accused of organizing his security detail into a death squad that targeted government and military officials.
    The arrest warrant was issued shortly after the vice president's Sunni-backed Iraqiya party announced it would boycott Parliament, saying Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki was cutting it out of the decision-making process.
    Al-Hashimi has denied the charges, saying the accusations are politically motivated amid the rivalry between his political bloc and al-Maliki's Shiite majority bloc.
    The situation has been further inflamed with a political bloc loyal to radical, anti-American Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr calling for the dissolution of Parliament and early elections.
    Mardini, the Institute for the Study of War analyst,said the violence appears to have reached a point "where casualties may go up or down in a given period but stay within an expected range."
    He said the security environment is deteriorating amid a challenging "political crisis," the departure of U.S. troops and rivalries in Iraq among regional powers such as Turkey, Iran and Sunni Arab countries.
    "It's not a pretty scenario. There doesn't seem to be a stabilizing presence or force," such as a regional power or a credible mediator to resolve the crisis.
    "Iraq has entered a new era of post-Saddam politics," Mardini said.
    He said the United States is trying to help foster political stability but "its leverage has been largely decapitated."
    "The U.S. presence on the ground had performed a critical psychological function over the state of affairs in Iraq," Mardini said, and it "provided space for politics to stabilize."
    Mardini said he expects sectarian sentiment to "get worse."
    Mardini said that al-Maliki's popularity is increasing among Shiites for aggressively targeting Sunni political figures.
    However, many Shiites also support federalism and al-Maliki is aware that Sunni efforts in embracing that idea may encourage Shiite provinces to do the same. For example, some people in the Shiite oil region of Basra in the south would like autonomy to get a greater share of oil profits.
    The country's power-sharing agreement, he said, has become like the Treaty of Versailles, the post-World War I pact.
    "It has failed to sustain the peace and laid the basis for another round of armed conflict," Mardini said.
    As for the Friday attack, authorities said they believe Col. Norman Dakhil may have been the target of the bomber.
    Dakhil and his family were in the procession making their way to a hospital to collect bodies of three relatives, including his brother, when the bomb exploded, police said.
    Gunmen opened fire on the three relatives the day before in Baghdad's al-Yarmouk neighborhood.
    The colonel escaped the suicide bombing unharmed, police officials said.
    The two police officials spoke about the attack on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to release details to the media.
    Also Friday, a teenager was killed and three others wounded when a roadside bomb exploded near a soccer field as they were playing in Ghazaliya, a predominately Sunni neighborhood in western Baghdad, police said.


    We know very welll when this is going to end.Civil war till shias expel all shunis from Baghdad.

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    Not the US's problem anymore

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azoth View Post
    Not the US's problem anymore
    Well the US shook the hornets nest there, hence reinvigorating sectarian divisions. The government is rather weak and the US shouldn't be surprised when Iraq falls into Iran's hands. US lost the Iraq-Iran power balance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Mov View Post
    Well the US shook the hornets nest there, hence reinvigorating sectarian divisions. The government is rather weak and the US shouldn't be surprised when Iraq falls into Iran's hands. US lost the Iraq-Iran power balance.
    Still not the US's problem anymore. Its Iraq's now. The US has gradually withdrew from the area. If Iraq will fall into Iran's hands, then let it. It will only end up uniting more countries against Iran's influence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azoth View Post
    Still not the US's problem anymore. Its Iraq's now. The US has gradually withdrew from the area. If Iraq will fall into Iran's hands, then let it. It will only end up uniting more countries against Iran's influence.
    Well, the issue is causality. If US had not invaded, would this sectarian violence occur? There's high probability it wouldn't as the country would be held tight under an authoritarian regime.

    How does Iraq falling into Iran's hands unite more countries against Iran?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Mov View Post
    Well, the issue is causality. If US had not invaded, would this sectarian violence occur? There's high probability it wouldn't as the country would be held tight under an authoritarian regime.
    I guess we will never know will we?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Mov View Post
    How does Iraq falling into Iran's hands unite more countries against Iran?
    You do realize many countries in the ME do not like Iran's creeping influence? Countries like Saudi Arabia, UAE, and Egypt? Syria is Iran's only friend in the ME.

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    Yes it was only the US's problem when Iraq wasn't a war-torn wasteland. Now that it is, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze86420 View Post
    Yes it was only the US's problem when Iraq wasn't a war-torn wasteland. Now that it is, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
    The Iraqi gov. has taken over. Most US troops are gone. We don't occupy Iraq any longer. Its their problem now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azoth View Post
    The Iraqi gov. has taken over. Most US troops are gone. We don't occupy Iraq any longer. Its their problem now.
    Well, what's more pertinent is that the major political coalition in Iraq recognizes the problems and is making a major call for political reconciliation and discussions on how to solve the current problems. So they are taking ownership regardless of whatever potshots people want to take at America on this. They at least are not sitting around and playing the blame game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motiv-8 View Post
    Well, what's more pertinent is that the major political coalition in Iraq recognizes the problems and is making a major call for political reconciliation and discussions on how to solve the current problems. So they are taking ownership regardless of whatever potshots people want to take at America on this. They at least are not sitting around and playing the blame game.
    Exactly. Atleast they are trying to do something instead of nothing. Them doing something gives me some hope that Iraq won't have a civil war anytime soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azoth View Post
    The Iraqi gov. has taken over. Most US troops are gone. We don't occupy Iraq any longer. Its their problem now.
    Well, it is not America's problem because they no longer occupy it. However, America is the reason why Iraq is in such state now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze86420 View Post
    Yes it was only the US's problem when Iraq wasn't a war-torn wasteland. Now that it is, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
    What was it before? A genocidal wasteland?


    Finding it hard to care about Iraq right now...
    I agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanaric View Post
    What was it before? A genocidal wasteland?
    I'd be the last person to defend Saddam, but don't expect me to like that blitz you guys called "Iraqi Freedom".
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    Democracy down the barrel of a gun. Bit crap isnt it?




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    It's not a matter of security, even the most well trained army in the world can't do much in a country with religious differences. It's a matter of culture and of people learning to live together and put aside their differences, much like the Christians have achieved (Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant, etc). The Arabian world will continue to experience such problems and it will take long before the persons can learn to tolerate each other.
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    Finding it hard to care about Iraq right now...

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    Default Re: Meanwhile in Iraq security deteriorates

    Fearmongering about "the deteriorating situation in Iraq" was fashionable on this board 5 years ago man.

    It's just so out of style these days.

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    Who cares about these brown people anyway?

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    How is this not expected?
    I challenge anyone to find a 20-year-or-more period in Near Eastern history when there was not at least one conflict being waged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rex Germanius View Post
    How is this not expected?
    I challenge anyone to find a 20-year-or-more period in Near Eastern history when there was not at least one conflict being waged.
    Uhh, I challenge you to find a 20-year period in just about anywhere in the world when there was not at least one conflict.
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