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    Fitch Downgrades 5 EU countries: Italy, Spain, Belgium, Slovenia and Cyprus

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    Italy, two level down from A+ to A-
    Spain, two level down from AA- to A
    Belgium, to AA
    Slovenia, two level down to A
    Cyprus, to BBB- (is it junk?)

    Fitch ratings agency has downgraded five eurozone economies, including Italy and Spain, citing financial weakness during the debt crisis.
    Italy was downgraded two notches to A- from A+, while Spain was also lowered two levels to A from AA-.
    Belgium, Slovenia and Cyprus were also downgraded, while Fitch cut its outlook for the Republic of Ireland.
    Earlier this month, Standard & Poor's agency downgraded nine eurozone eoconomies, including France.
    "Overall, today's rating actions balance the marked deterioration in the economic outlook with both the substantive policy initiatives at the national level to address macro-financial and fiscal imbalances," Fitch said.
    The agency had placed the five countries on review for possible downgrades last month.
    'Further reforms' Fitch also made a number of comments on the wider eurozone debt crisis and stressed the importance of closer ties between members.
    "In Fitch's opinion, the eurozone crisis will only be resolved as and when there is broad economic recovery," the agency said.
    "It is evident that further substantial reforms of the governance of the eurozone will be required to secure economic and financial stability, including greater fiscal integration."
    European leaders are attending a summit on Monday as part of their continuing attempts to resolve the crisis.
    They are looking to forge closer economic ties between member states by agreeing the details of a treaty imposing strict rules on government spending.
    They are also trying to agree the details of a permanent eurozone bailout fund, the European Financial Stability Mechanism, to deal with sovereign debt crises in the future.
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    Default Re: Fitch Downgrades 5 EU countries: Italy, Spain, Belgium, Slovenia and Cyprus

    I don't know what ratings mean anymore, nor I suspect do most other people; a lot seem arbitrary, politically convenient or drawn from a hat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Condottiere 40K View Post
    I don't know what ratings mean anymore, nor I suspect do most other people; a lot seem arbitrary, politically convenient or drawn from a hat.
    Yeah this, plus with so many countries being downgraded, they will remain somewhat equivalent relative to each other.
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    And not a single was given that day.

    I think nobody takes rating companies very serious anymore.
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    Except of course pension-funds and insurers, flocking for $ and pounds for a while now.
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    Default Re: Fitch Downgrades 5 EU countries: Italy, Spain, Belgium, Slovenia and Cyprus

    WTF why did they pick on Cyprus? Thats just mean man




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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian View Post
    WTF why did they pick on Cyprus? Thats just mean man
    I'd guess an unusually bad local economy or unsustainable debt. I don't know if either of those are true, but they could cause it.

    Anyways, it's funny to see all the hate for these rating agencies. They're just the messengers that bonds from these countries are no longer a good investment. They didn't cause any country to spend beyond it's means.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HissingNewt View Post
    They're just the messengers
    No they're not.
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    we can safely say that a % of those 130 were Houthi/Iranian militants that needed to be stopped unfortunately

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorn777 View Post
    No they're not.
    Yeah, they really are. It's now become obvious that many countries have unsustainable debt, and the ratings they give out reflect that. Do you disagree that the debt is unsustainable?
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    Default Re: Fitch Downgrades 5 EU countries: Italy, Spain, Belgium, Slovenia and Cyprus

    Proof once more that there are only 5 or so countries in the EU that have an actual economy that was not based on EU handouts and bank loans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IPA35 View Post
    Proof once more that there are only 5 or so countries in the EU that have an actual economy that was not based on EU handouts and bank loans.
    Show me which countries' economies are not based on bank loans?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Romanos IV View Post
    Show me which countries' economies are not based on bank loans?
    Surprisingly, it's probably only Greece. Excluding the debt, Greece generated a surplus of 1.8 billion euros the second half of 2011.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manuel I Komnenos View Post
    Surprisingly, it's probably only Greece. Excluding the debt, Greece generated a surplus of 1.8 billion euros the second half of 2011.
    Yeah, I read about that, but I think (not sure) it has to do with a) the actual timing of paying the usual tax revenues (later than August) and b) the very heavy special estate taxation, along with other extra revenue-making fees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Romanos IV View Post
    Yeah, I read about that, but I think (not sure) it has to do with a) the actual timing of paying the usual tax revenues (later than August) and b) the very heavy special estate taxation, along with other extra revenue-making fees.
    Sure, it's a product of the harsh measures. But if they took measures to allow growth of the economy and at the same time reversed the heavy taxation, the Greek economy would be in a good road. The thing is that currently, the way of life of the Greek citizens is sustainable and we don't need loans to pay wages but only the loans.
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    Default Re: Fitch Downgrades 5 EU countries: Italy, Spain, Belgium, Slovenia and Cyprus

    France must be rather relieved ^^.

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    Funnily Italy until now hasn't failed to sell all its debt titles.

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    Default Re: Fitch Downgrades 5 EU countries: Italy, Spain, Belgium, Slovenia and Cyprus

    I wonder why they don't downgrade the UK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IPA35 View Post
    I wonder why they don't downgrade the UK.
    Because we are paying our debts and show no sign of failing to do so?

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    Why Belgium. The rest I kinda get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Croccer View Post
    Why Belgium. The rest I kinda get.
    Huge debt in % of GDP and a government more consirned about seperatist Flemings rather than making cuts?
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