Dwarven Economy

[David93]

Well as far as i can see it sucks
A combination of luck and tactics has kept me alive, but its like turn 60 and im not rich. Which hasnt happened to me in a long time.

Corruption is the biggest problem, one side of the map makes a very small amount of money, i was thinking of modding a few solutions to his if it annoyed others? I already plan to add the next level of roads (highways in vanilla) for the dwarves and add a law bonus, which represents the ability to move armies faster and therefore maintain order.

Option 1: leave it alone, i enjoy the chalenge

Option 2: new buildings, a few other small buidings which give a law bonus to the dwarves would reduce the corruption.

This is just to see what people think of the dwarven economy and wether changes would be welcome?

[lolIsuck]

Don't the Dwarves get some big mining income?
But yeah corruption sucks

I vote leave it as I never play Dwarves and I hate all of you people playing it

[Mhaedros]

I vote leave it as I never play Dwarves and I hate all of you people playing it

And still we're friends..

Anyway, I always have a stable economy around turn 15-20 as dwarves, around 50 I have 50k - 80k in the treasury, and around turn 100 I'm always waaay richer than everyone else. It'd still be nice to reduce the corruption a lot, since the faction is split from the beginning, and sometimes it can be hard to afford proper armies, so I vote for option 2

[Keyser_Soze]

While corruption's a problem in the west, Erebor's got one of the greatest economic potentials in middle earth, up there with the likes of Minas Tirith. As it starts as a huge city, this makes it a great source of income, and it can be increased to 2K income very quickly. Azanulzibar-dum isn't too bad either. I don't have great issues with income, and any problems I do have serve simply as a motivation to expand into OOG and OOTMM territory to seek riches. I like how the dwarves are.
If you have economic problems, it means you're not expanding enough.
Admittedly, it's tough balancing economy and military as the dwarves, given that you need to constantly expect an attack by Rhun in the east, but you need to focus on westwards expansion into the misty mountains and the mountains of Gundabad, with the ultimate goal of taking over Khazad-Dum. Upon doing this, Gundabad is ideal as a capital, as it is right in the centre of your "empire", where all 3 parts intersect.
In the meantime, don't create an army where it isn't necessary. The orcs won't attack you in the west earl on, and you can't build any good units there so focus on the east. Build a deterring army at Azanulzibar (Or Kugavod if you own it) to stop Rhun attacking and push westwards with a powerful stack as far as that will take you. After that, economy should be good.

Also, make sure to take Lunelaith and Nenuial in the west. Don't take Pitkaranta or you'll be pushed into battle with the OOG and you can't fight very easily in the west.

[David93]

Yes i know where i went wrong, which was difficulty anticipation, i didnt build any economy buildings and built a small army, expecting a similar situation to 2.1 which was easier. So i went into the red 8 grand, so i spent many turns digging my way out of that hole with basicly the income you start with. Im nott having to much trouble, i sort of expected that the newer players wouldnt like the coruption though.

[Excellion]

Can't you decrease corruption's influence in campaingdb or it's hardcoded?

If corruption is the only problem, I say decrease it. It doesn't makes much sense in having a "financial corruption" in a setting like Middle Earth. It only makes sense in real world, where the stolen richness makes people poorer, thus more desperate and then more obedient. Since in Middle Earth you're the King and have a lot of power, better find another mechanism for this.

I would suggest to decrease corruption and increase the effect of loyalty in settlements. If someone's corrupted in Middle Earth it's more likely they joining the enemy than stealing your income.

[lolIsuck]

Can't you decrease corruption's influence in campaingdb or it's hardcoded?

If corruption is the only problem, I say decrease it. It doesn't makes much sense in having a "financial corruption" in a setting like Middle Earth. It only makes sense in real world, where the stolen richness makes people poorer, thus more desperate and then more obedient. Since in Middle Earth you're the King and have a lot of power, better find another mechanism for this.

I would suggest to decrease corruption and increase the effect of loyalty in settlements. If someone's corrupted in Middle Earth it's more likely they joining the enemy than stealing your income.

I don't think it's that unrealistic for Dwarves. They're greedy as hell and the king under the mountain, well he's under the mountain somewhere far away. Gimli would be swimming in his treasures like Scrooge McDuck

[Mhaedros]

I think your mistaking dwarves with yourself :

Yeah, I know it was childish, but I cant let go you said you hate everyone who plays dwarves

[lolIsuck]

Well, I'll just put it this way: I dislike the dwarves, not the people who play them
There just wasn't a cool way to say that so had to say it that way

[Dwarven Berserker]

Well, I'll just put it this way: I dislike the dwarves, not the people who play them
There just wasn't a cool way to say that so had to say it that way

Funny, that sounds just the opposite of me I like dwarves, but I have developed quite a hate against elves. Blame BMFE for that, all the noobs online (pretty much 70% of the players) always ALWAYS picked those friggin elves Not that they were had to beat (worst pikemen in the game, worst cavalry in the game, archers lacking in armor (cavalry vs elven archer was like pacman vs dots, really ). But they are fast as hell so when you get your units close to them, they always fled to safety which becomes incredibly annoying after a while

But back on topic, I think it's quite a good idea actually. It would make sense that the dwarves try to prevent corruption, as thay are, as lolIsuck said, pretty darn greedy (If there is no problem, there is no need for a solution. But as the problem of greed/corruptness is here, they should do something about it)

[Mhaedros]

I forgive you if you +rep me

[lolIsuck]

I'm out of rep
edit: problems solved, Mhaedros

[Mhaedros]

Aargh! I want that first barrel of beer

[Varjon]

I'm currently on my first campaign playthrough in v3.1 and I've been playing as Dwarves. It has been pretty challenging (but that's the point if you play on VH/VH) and it took almost 30 turns until my economy became stable. Now I'm on turn 90 and I haven't made that much progression in terms of expanding my empire but I have secured ways to Gundabad and Angmar from Erebor and Blue Mountains and as soon as my reinforcements arrive from east the Orcs of Gundabad are pretty much done and after that I just have to march to south and reclaim Khazad-dûm.

If I started new campaign as Dwarves now I'd probably have easier time and I would do several things differently but it is by no means too hard campaign. I prefer this version's Dwarves' campaign to earlier ones because back then it was one of the easier factions.

[Hermes Trismegistos]

Well, if the dwarves get improved economy I think others should, too. Mordor for example is a financial mess in the beginning and they really are not a faction that should know financial problems...

But I haven's played the dwarves yet in 3.1 so I can't really judge it and won't vote.

[Spartan777]

To heck with lore. I play the dwarves with an altered kings ransom each turn so they earn a little more. Otherwise I just find it too difficult to balance the books and still have fun. Not too much each turn so that's easy, but enough so that it's not a headache. But I guess that depends on your play style as often said.

[Mhaedros]

I think, those factions who should have a great economy, or doesent need a great economy lorewise (dwarves, mordor, ootmm, oog) should have buildings to reduce corruption, while the others stay as before

[VektorT]

Do you think the dwarven economy is bad? Try to play with Isengard and you will see what's no economy AT ALL!!! And more... you hav to figh Rohan from the begining!

I'm around turn 50, I hav the upperhand against Rohan, but I cant go anywhere cause my army simply dont grow large than that! I take some territories, but I dont hav enogh income anyway! My economy is frozen, my army is frozen, Rohan troops source never ends and I'm starting to think they will turn the table...

I think this game isin't made to play with Isengard...
Very little building options to boost your economy...

[lolIsuck]

I think, those factions who should have a great economy, or doesent need a great economy lorewise (dwarves, mordor, ootmm, oog) should have buildings to reduce corruption, while the others stay as before

And why would the Elves suffer from corruption or have financial problems?

[Minas Moth]

And why would the Elves suffer from corruption or have financial problems?

and why not? are you maybe suggesting that they are above those things? i'm not that sure... if elves aren't influenced by corruption or personal wealth then ME would be entirely different place. From the first Age and making of Silmarils they were focused on material stuff, not less than any other race...

They acumulated their wealth and build armies and forts to protect them. Their greed was their undoing in the end (especially for Feanor's sons due to the oath, but don't forget Thingol who wasn't bound with oath but instead got himself killed because of his greed). All those who covet the material wealth can be corrupted and elves are no exception...

This doesn't necessarily makes them evil. don't get me wrong, but desire for riches (material or any other in fact) can lead to the undoing of any race, elves included... Now, that being said, i don't think they shouldn't be influenced by corruption, but they should be influenced by it to smaller extent than some other nations.

I think dwarves have high tendency to be corrupted. they always covet for gold, and even Tolkien stated that Dwarven fiefdoms were known to fight each other. he doesn't state over what they fought, but riches can certainly be one thing. they also aren't evil, but easier to corrupt...

In the end, the smallest chances for corruption IMO goes to Isenagrd. now that is society where everybody do what one man says... like it