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    Default Libyan detainees being tortured to death; Doctors Without Borders refuse to take part in torture and quit

    From BBC:

    Several people have died after being tortured by militias in Libyan detention centres, human rights group Amnesty International has said.

    It claimed to have seen patients in Tripoli, Misrata and Gheryan with open wounds to their head, limbs and back.

    Meanwhile, charity Medecins Sans Frontieres has suspended operations in Misrata after treating 115 patients with torture-related wounds.

    The UN says it is concerned about the conditions in which patients are held.

    "The torture is being carried out by officially recognised military and security entities as well as by a multitude of armed militias operating outside any legal framework," a spokesman for London-based Amnesty said.

    "After all the promises to get detention centres under control, it is horrifying to find that there has been no progress to stop the use of torture," Donatella Rovera, from the charity, said.

    Medecins Sans Frontieres said it was being "exploited" as some patients were being brought to them between interrogation sessions.

    "Our role is to provide medical care to war casualties and sick detainees, not to repeatedly treat the same patients between torture sessions," said general director Christopher Stokes.

    More than 8,500 detainees, most of them accused of being loyal to former Libyan leader Col Muammar Gaddafi, are being held by militia groups in about 60 centres, according to UN human rights chief Navi Pillay.
    And more on MSF (Doctors Without Borders) from The Telegraph:

    MSF said it was withdrawing staff because it was effectively keeping prisoners alive so that authorities could continue to torture them.

    The withdrawal came as Amnesty International reported separately that up to a dozen people had died after being tortured at the hand of the new National Military Security agency.

    Senior UN figures expressed concern over the government's failure to exert control over militias, accused of rampant abuse of the estimated 8,500 held in arbitrary detention.

    Christopher Stokes, the General Director of MSF, said the scale of torture in two detention centres in the city of Misurata was accelerating despite repeated pleas from the organisation for mistreatment to stop.

    Some of the 115 inmates among the 1,500 strong prison population that MSF staff treated after torture were beaten so badly they could not stand, had suffered kidney failure and bore signs of electric shock.

    Hundreds of prisoners, many of them black Africans, also told the organisation of suffering torture.

    Mr Stokes said MSF medics feared that their work could be used to sustain the process of torturing prisoners. "When you patch people up and then they get taken back to be tortured again in the same evening, you become part of the process," he said.

    "We have protested and in some cases they have said they will stop but in other cases they say it happens everywhere, like Abu Ghraib. If anything, the number of cases has been accelerating."
    I knew that the NTC would be incapable of any central governance (their officials can't even operate safely in Tripoli) and violence would continue for quite some time after Gaddafi's death, but the fact that close to 10,000 detainees are being held in around 60 sites in a country of just over 6 million, many merely on the suspicion of being Gaddafi loyalists or based just on skin color, is appalling.
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    Default Re: Libyan detainees being tortured to death; Doctors Without Borders refuse to take part in torture and quit

    This makes shooting at protestors like a piece of cakes.
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    Default Re: Libyan detainees being tortured to death; Doctors Without Borders refuse to take part in torture and quit

    Absolutely disgusting.

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    Ho w dare you attack those beautiful acts of democracy of the new progressive Facebook Generation? You are evil supporter of undemocratic dictatorships!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broseph Stalin View Post
    Ho w dare you attack those beautiful acts of democracy of the new progressive Facebook Generation? You are evil supporter of undemocratic dictatorships!
    How ironic, your posts are as transparent as glass. Let's just pretend torture never occurred under Gaddafi's rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze86420 View Post
    How ironic, your posts are as transparent as glass. Let's just pretend torture never occurred under Gaddafi's rule.
    Because that like totally justifies torture under new dictatorship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broseph Stalin View Post
    Because that like totally justifies torture under new dictatorship.
    You were implying democracy was the cause of this...
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Illusionist View Post
    You were implying democracy was the cause of this...
    I was implying that what Libyans have know is not really a democracy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broseph Stalin View Post
    Because that like totally justifies torture under new dictatorship.
    I've never once tried to justified dishonorable acts committed by the rebels. You on the other hand have made excuses after excuses for Gaddafi.
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    Default Re: Libyan detainees being tortured to death; Doctors Without Borders refuse to take part in torture and quit

    Disgusting.

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    Something must be done about this

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    Quote Originally Posted by garudamon11 View Post
    Something must be done about this
    Iran has secret prisons where people are made to disappear and are tortured all the time. Why should we care about this if people here continuously attack Europe and the US for sanctioning Iran? Seems like a bit of hypocrisy that people denounce this
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanaric View Post
    Iran has secret prisons where people are made to disappear and are tortured all the time. Why should we care about this if people here continuously attack Europe and the US for sanctioning Iran? Seems like a bit of hypocrisy that people denounce this
    If they are secret, how the hell do we know about them?

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    Default Re: Libyan detainees being tortured to death; Doctors Without Borders refuse to take part in torture and quit

    One Libyan tribal grouping instead of another. Same thing, at the end of the day, beneath the surface ideology.

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    This could actually get Libya into a lot of hot water with the international legal community. Every single person engaging in that torture is liable for their actions and can be prosecuted in any member nation of the U.N. It will be an interesting test to see whether the U.N. has any teeth and whether or not the law of nations will be upheld and enforced. Something tells me nothing will happen, however...

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    Default Re: Libyan detainees being tortured to death; Doctors Without Borders refuse to take part in torture and quit

    You know how I probably said earlier that this revolution was going to be a great thing?

    Yeah, well I take that back.


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    Default Re: Libyan detainees being tortured to death; Doctors Without Borders refuse to take part in torture and quit

    Quote Originally Posted by YukonTrooper View Post
    I knew that the NTC would be incapable of any central governance (their officials can't even operate safely in Tripoli) and violence would continue for quite some time after Gaddafi's death, but the fact that close to 10,000 detainees are being held in around 60 sites in a country of just over 6 million, many merely on the suspicion of being Gaddafi loyalists or based just on skin color, is appalling.
    Agreed. The situation there seems to be out of hand. Nothing can excuse the routinely use of torture on Gaddafi's loyalists. Those responsible should be arrested if Libya is to take a step forward.
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    Sigh.
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    Default Re: Libyan detainees being tortured to death; Doctors Without Borders refuse to take part in torture and quit

    And some naive idiots were absoutely certain that Libya would magically transform into a modern democacy, this is exactly why a strongman like Gaddafi was needed to keep the populace in check since they're not civilised enough to have a proper democracy and now they are probably facing years of civil war while the other arab spring countries aren't much better with Islamists taking power and christians being persecuted.But hey at least France and Britain got some better oil contracts from Libya and now instead of being killed by Gaddafi the Libyans can kill each other which is much better!
    These fine gentlemen's have thanks to their consistent idiotic posts have earned their place on my ignore list: mrmouth, The Illusionist, motiv-8, mongrel, azoth, thorn777 and elfdude. If you want to join their honourable rank you just have to post idiotic posts and you will get there in no time.

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    Default Re: Libyan detainees being tortured to death; Doctors Without Borders refuse to take part in torture and quit

    1) It wasn't the government, just certain secular NTC officials. NRA is not planning to take power, so I don't see how this analogy works.
    2) How was NTC aiming at secular democracy?

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