World Press Freedom Index (2011-12)

**Armenum** · January 25, 2012, 10:56 PM

So the press freedom index came out, personally I was happy to see Armenia at 77 (ahead of its neighbours), it's interesting to look at the changes of press freedom in Arab countries that were affected by the Arab Spring. For example, there was a significant jump in Tunisia's index. The US's index was a bit surprising, at a meagre 47. The top countries weren't that surprising in being there. Discuss.

http://en.rsf.org/IMG/CLASSEMENT_2012/C_GENERAL_ANG.pdf

Ranking:

http://en.rsf.org/IMG/CLASSEMENT_201...SEMENT_ANG.pdf

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**(s)AINT** · January 25, 2012, 11:00 PM

What's there to discuss? Obviously all those conservatives that say that we are the most outstanding and free country ever are full of

.

Other than that the list isn't all that surprising.

**alhoon** · January 25, 2012, 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by (s)AINT

What's there to discuss? Obviously all those conservatives that say that we are the most outstanding and free country ever are full of

.

That. No suprises there, USA in 47 isn't anything unexpected.

I'm suprised that Nambia is doing so good though.

**Prosaic Visitant** · January 25, 2012, 11:04 PM

LOL @ Niger having more media freedom than Australia.

Good to see China, Vietnam, Syria, Cuba and Egypt continuing to be bastions of press freedom.

I'm also wondering why the US is just scrapping at around the top 25%.

**the_mango55** · January 25, 2012, 11:07 PM

Seems like most of the rankings, at least in the first world, are explained by "crackdown on protesting"

So countries with less protests got higher rankings.

**Phier** · January 25, 2012, 11:12 PM

The worldwide wave of protests in 2011 also
swept through the New World. It dragged the
United States (47th) and Chile (80th) down the
index, costing them 27 and 47 places respectively.
The crackdown on protest movements and
the accompanying excesses took their toll on
journalists. In the space of two months in the
United States, more than 25 were subjected to
arrests and beatings at the hands of police who
were quick to issue indictments for inappropriate
behaviour, public nuisance or even lack
of accreditation

See OWS did do something!

**Blaze86420** · January 25, 2012, 11:09 PM

Yay Canada is in the top ten, eat that Americans! Who's the commie now?

**Mr. Scott** · January 25, 2012, 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by Blaze86420

Yay Canada is in the top ten, eat that Americans! Who's the commie now?

Congrats Canada

If only your nation were to be bigger than California...

**Sphere** · January 25, 2012, 11:13 PM

Yay Canada is in the top ten, eat that Americans! Who's the commie now?

We still have this ...

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Watch your tongue habitant or you're never getting it back. And keep up your insolence and we'll send SEAL Team 6 to kidnap Kate Beirness.

**IronBrig4** · January 31, 2012, 02:11 AM

Originally Posted by Sphere

Watch your tongue habitant or you're never getting it back. And keep up your insolence and we'll send SEAL Team 6 to kidnap Kate Beirness.

Yeah, but they might retaliate by bombing the Baldwin family.

**Nevins** · January 25, 2012, 11:25 PM

Damn OWS, ruining public land and our ranking while accomplishing virtually nothing.

**Armenum** · January 25, 2012, 11:39 PM

Originally Posted by Nevins

Damn OWS, ruining public land and our ranking while accomplishing virtually nothing.

Are they alive anymore? It seems they just died away...

**Nevins** · January 25, 2012, 11:41 PM

Originally Posted by Lord Mov

Are they alive anymore? It seems they just died away...

They petered out like all grassroots movements tend too when there is no guiding force to get them truly organized, they could only stay passionate about it for so long until they had jobs to get back to and bills to pay. If they had translated into a more organized network and formulated coherent demands they would have some influence. They didn't. There is still a dozen or so people "Occupying" a chunk of my college campus but other than that...

**Prosaic Visitant** · January 25, 2012, 11:47 PM

Originally Posted by Lord Mov

Are they alive anymore? It seems they just died away...

Tell me about it. It was like December rolled around and they were gone.

**Admiral Piett** · January 26, 2012, 02:58 AM

And all those Occupiers were sitting there lecturing me and arguing into my face that they would be a deep-rooted movement on par with the 60s counter-culture. They don't seem to respond to my Facebook messages anymore. I guess they're kinda sour about being completely wrong.

The fact that they deranked the US for the reaction to OWS is completely politically motivated and retarded. Especially considering the rampant theft, violence against women, and destruction of property that followed behind wherever the occupiers were. They lost all legitimacy when they couldn't rise above being anything other than an aimless mob with no clear goal other than fighting the man.

Even more, I don't see a great deal of government repression of the press in the US. The media is just as responsible, if not more, for the rampant ignorance of facts.

**karo** · January 26, 2012, 05:43 AM

The OWS did a lot of damage but one also has also to admit that US journalism has turned into sensationalism and not hard core journalism any more.

**Prosaic Visitant** · January 26, 2012, 06:52 AM

Originally Posted by karo

The OWS did a lot of damage but one also has also to admit that US journalism has turned into sensationalism and not hard core journalism any more.

Depends; the American Interest magazine is top quality, PBS has some good coverage and there is plenty of quality material, if you look; I imagine that various programs, publications and stations may not have the same integrity and quality.

**Phier** · January 26, 2012, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by Future Filmmaker

Even more, I don't see a great deal of government repression of the press in the US. The media is just as responsible, if not more, for the rampant ignorance of facts.

No kidding. About the only press repression I've heard about is internal due to political bias of the parent organization.

Personally I'd love to hear more of the 25 incidents they were talking about with OWS.

Originally Posted by Jom

I don't think I can, hence why Qatar is relatively low on the press freedom rankings, but I doubt you'll find many instances of press intimidation in the Gulf Arab States either.

No reason to intimidate when they are already playing but the establishments allowed rules.

**justicar5** · January 28, 2012, 06:41 AM

Originally Posted by Future Filmmaker

The fact that they deranked the US for the reaction to OWS is completely politically motivated and retarded. Especially considering the rampant theft, violence against women, and destruction of property that followed behind wherever the occupiers were. They lost all legitimacy when they couldn't rise above being anything other than an aimless mob with no clear goal other than fighting the man.

They down ranked the US for beating up journalists. The message was clear: Cover the protests and we break your arms.

**Admiral Piett** · January 28, 2012, 06:46 AM

Originally Posted by justicar5

They down ranked the US for beating up journalists. The message was clear: Cover the protests and we break your arms.

That's crap. MSNBC was all over that

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