custom setlements

**Aipe** · January 25, 2012, 05:46 PM

well i knew that in siege batles there is little space to deploy, but in custom setlements its even worse to kind of solve that problem i reduced the unit size but its still a problem (take imladris for example i prefer kill the enemy before they reach the setlement) i wast just wondering if a future patch was going to be made of this problem because its horible, i love how the setlements look but not so much to play in them.

and how come minas tirith is not a citadel... if i remember corecly in the books they say minas tirith is a citadel, and i though that minas tirith would be this awsome fortress with lots of gates, taking in count that there is 7 rings of the city (at leats thets what i remember) but its only a very big city and the only andvantage is those narrow streets

and wy isnt the center of the city at the top like in the custom battle

**TheDarkKnight** · January 25, 2012, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by Aipe

well i knew that in siege batles there is little space to deploy, but in custom setlements its even worse to kind of solve that problem i reduced the unit size but its still a problem (take imladris for example i prefer kill the enemy before they reach the setlement) i wast just wondering if a future patch was going to be made of this problem because its horible, i love how the setlements look but not so much to play in them.

and how come minas tirith is not a citadel... if i remember corecly in the books they say minas tirith is a citadel, and i though that minas tirith would be this awsome fortress with lots of gates, taking in count that there is 7 rings of the city (at leats thets what i remember) but its only a very big city and the only andvantage is those narrow streets

and wy is the center of the city at the top like in the custom battle

It is my opinion (but only an opinion) that Imladris was kind of a mistake. I have tried with smaller units as well and it is difficult to do. I think that that custom slot (if there are a limited amount) could have been used elsewhere. But that's just me. It's difficult to defend.

As for Minas Tirith, I think there are limits to how many gates and such. I was expecting being able to defend (as in, place troops on) the first three walls/levels. Instead, we can only put them on the first level, and because the city is so big, we can't adequately defend every section of the wall unless we spread the soldiers super thinly, and even then I think with a full stack we wouldn't be able to defend the gate very well.

**Aipe** · January 25, 2012, 07:07 PM

but in the vanilla game thare are 3 gates for citadels.... as well as 3 walls that you can put archers in and stuf. that is what i dont get if they could put more gates wy didnt they?

**Emperor of Hell** · January 26, 2012, 04:09 AM

The reason why there is only one gate is no game limitation, but a pathfinding problem.

**Dutch-Balrog** · January 26, 2012, 05:29 AM

And don't forget about the AI.... I think Minas Tirith is pretty good in balance now for both attacking and defending. With 3 gates the AI never not be able to win from you, and you would also have alot of trouble with attacking it.

**Aipe** · January 26, 2012, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by Dutch-Balrog

And don't forget about the AI.... I think Minas Tirith is pretty good in balance now for both attacking and defending. With 3 gates the AI never not be able to win from you, and you would also have alot of trouble with attacking it.

but the reason sauron took so long in preparing the army to atack gondor was because it was going to be hard and he wanted to to win, so he gatherd a very big army to defeat them (if it wasnt for the reinforcements in my opinion minas tirith would be doomed) so its meant to be hard to beat, and mabie the ai isnt smart enough to win but what if sauron would call an invation.

Originally Posted by Mhaedros

In 3.1 Minas Tirith is a hige city anyway, so yeah, it's a game limitation

but does that prevent you from changing it to a citadel?

and remember that the main thing i was talking about was of not being able to deploy in settlements? any coments on that?

**Mhaedros** · January 26, 2012, 12:31 PM

In 3.1 Minas Tirith is a hige city anyway, so yeah, it's a game limitation

**~~GueulEclator~~** · January 26, 2012, 12:54 PM

But does that prevent to man the second and third wall?

**Mhaedros** · January 26, 2012, 12:56 PM

I think it'd be possible to make them mannable(?) as well, but I'm not that familiar with settlement modding

**~~GueulEclator~~** · January 26, 2012, 12:57 PM

I've only seen 2 people familiar with this. I hope there will be more at some point.

**Mhaedros** · January 26, 2012, 01:01 PM

Really? Those who made IWTE, KK, Devils_Advocate, leo, etc. There are a few guys who does them. Didnt Emperor of Hell make a orc village?

**Emperor of Hell** · January 26, 2012, 01:01 PM

No, I did not, although I would love to learn it. I'm trying

I guess you mean my generic orc castles mod. Those were just reused KK's settlements. I had 66 downloads in the ~12 hours it was on the first page. Too bad it can't be a sticky

**~~GueulEclator~~** · January 26, 2012, 01:05 PM

Huh? Where is this mod? I want it.

Also I didn't knew about all those guys. It's cool so much people know how to make custom settlements

**Emperor of Hell** · January 26, 2012, 01:06 PM

There are some bugs (which I remembered lately). I guess I can release a new version (to bump it to the first page

)

edit: NVM, there are no bugs

Here's a link:http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=501565

**~~GueulEclator~~** · January 26, 2012, 01:08 PM

You definitively should

**Emperor of Hell** · January 26, 2012, 01:11 PM

There are no bugs, check out my edit

**Mhaedros** · January 27, 2012, 12:40 AM

It is fully possible to deploy, I've played Minas Tirith lots of times in custom battles, with huge scale. If you change it to a citadel, the model will change, unless you change both the size for Minas Tirith and the settlement that actually uses 'Citadel' in the custom settlement culture if I understand it correctly.