What does Makedon have that the other Successor states dont have?

[kostas84]

In terms of Infantry, cavalry, etc...

[athanaric]

More Thraikian units, heavier pikemen.

[fireblade]

You can check all the units here.

http://europabarbarorum.heimstatt.ne...hp?mp=unitlist

And if you want the AoR's I suggest the recruitment viewer

I can only think of the : Hysteroi Pezhetairoi , the makedonian reform unit though.

[The Kybrothilian]

Agranian assasult infantry and Deuteroi phalanx are such units (might be that Epeiros can use them, but they're not successor state, so they don't count)

They also have faster access to Greek and Thracian units by expanding than the other successors.

[Lansa]

Better regional heavy infantry. And is it me or do the Ptolemy regionals suck? The Seleucids get all that eastern stuff, and the western successors get Gallic stuff whilst the ptolemies only get Ethiopian levies, which are dreadful

[Spike]

Hysteroi Pezhetairoi, and historically, Epeirote didn't belong to Diadochi in political sense, but militarily and culturally, they are considered Diadochi too.

Well, indeed, Makedon is by comparison, the weakest of the Diadochi factions, the redeeming things of them is they literally sit on Makedonia, an very useful recruitment grounds

[athanaric]

Better regional heavy infantry. And is it me or do the Ptolemy regionals suck? The Seleucids get all that eastern stuff, and the western successors get Gallic stuff whilst the ptolemies only get Ethiopian levies, which are dreadful

Ethiopian units are good. Perhaps you were referring to Nubian spearmen, but even those are decent if you keep them away from missiles. Also, Ptolies get Galatian units too. More than any other faction, actually.

Well, indeed, Makedon is by comparison, the weakest of the Diadochi factions, the redeeming things of them is they literally sit on Makedonia, an very useful recruitment grounds

Not really. Makedonia is more the "Mighty Glacier" faction with immensely powerful but somewhat slow units, while other Diadochoi/Mediterranean factions have other aspects (Romans are probably "The Mario", Seleukids are "Game Breaker", and so on).

[Grymloq]

And Macedonian peltasts maybe?

[Entropy Judge]

There are no Macedonian Peltasts. There are Thraikian Peltasts - but the Seleukids can recruit them as well.

Edit: Brain fart. You probably mean the elite Infantry, not actual Peltasts. Although the Seleukids can recruit them, too.

[kostas84]

So all they have is a better starting position? Thats lame, i expected more from the faction that conquered all of the east.

I expected better core and more diverse troops than the other Successor factions. Mainly because Macedon is where the whole Successor thing begun.

[athanaric]

I expected better core and more diverse troops than the other Successor factions. Mainly because Macedon is where the whole Successor thing begun.

They have one of the most powerful rosters in the game, what more do you expect? Of course the eastern successors also have access to Persian and Middle Eastern (etc.) fighting styles and troop types, so naturally their roster is more diverse.

Isn't the Argyraspidai still better than the Hysteroi Pezhetairoi? Cause if they are, I wouldn't really count them (Hysteroi) as something that the Macedonians have that are better than the other successor states... Except for roleplaying ofc.

Except those two units are for different purposes. Namely Hysteroi Pezhetairoi can be spammed to make up the core of each of your armies, while spamming Argyraspides is lame.

The "Macedonian Peltasts" (Peltestai Makedonikoi?) are also available for the Seleukids at least.

And to Baktria.

On the other hand, the men who actually conquered the East, Alexander's men, mostly stayed in the East and settled there. The men in Macedon didn't really do anything other than oppress the Hellenes. The Seleucids and Ptolemies would have had a greater reservoir of veterans/their descendants to draw from. The Eastern diadochoi not only retained their Macedonian roots but embraced the better aspects of their new thralls ie Syrian archers, Cataphracts, elephants etc.

Good point.

[spartan753]

Isn't the Argyraspidai still better than the Hysteroi Pezhetairoi? Cause if they are, I wouldn't really count them (Hysteroi) as something that the Macedonians have that are better than the other successor states... Except for roleplaying ofc.

The "Macedonian Peltasts" (Peltestai Makedonikoi?) are also available for the Seleukids at least.

[Holdfast]

Isn't the Argyraspidai still better than the Hysteroi Pezhetairoi? Cause if they are, I wouldn't really count them (Hysteroi) as something that the Macedonians have that are better than the other successor states... Except for roleplaying ofc.

You are correct that Argyraspidai are slightly better than Hysteroi Pezhetairoi, however, that misses the point. The point is you can only recruit Argyraspidai in Pella and Demetrias whilst Hysteroi Pezhetairoi can be recruited all over Hellas, Thrace, Western Asia Minor, Southern Italy, the Crimea, the Levant, the Nile Valley, across Mesopotamia and even in Baktria. They allow Makadonia to recruit and maintain high quality phalangists as the core of their armies whoever and wherever they are fighting and thats got to be a big advantage.

[Entropy Judge]

Well, you have to remember that the (ruling) Seleukids and Ptolemies are the descendants of the men who actually did the conquering, so they wouldn't be missing out on much. Why would Makedon have much more than either of those two, both of whom have much larger areas of land to recruit from?

Edit:

Isn't the Argyraspidai still better than the Hysteroi Pezhetairoi?

A bit; +1 Spear attack, +2 Sword Attack, -1 Armour, +2 Skill, +3 Morale, and Hardy. On the other hand, the Hysteroi are a decent amount cheaper and have a wider AoR (not much, but still twice the areas).

[kostas84]

Because Macedon is where the whole thing begun from, Alexander united Greece and took the east, he started from Macedon.

So i believe that Macedon should have better core infantry because its there where the whole thing begun.

[Ferdiad]

Because Macedon is where the whole thing begun from, Alexander united Greece and took the east, he started from Macedon.

So i believe that Macedon should have better core infantry because its there where the whole thing begun.

I beleive Rome should be able to recruit Imperial Legions at the start becuase the games Called Tome Total War.

[Lansa]

On the other hand, the men who actually conquered the East, Alexander's men, mostly stayed in the East and settled there. The men in Macedon didn't really do anything other than oppress the Hellenes. The Seleucids and Ptolemies would have had a greater reservoir of veterans/their descendants to draw from. The Eastern diadochoi not only retained their Macedonian roots but embraced the better aspects of their new thralls ie Syrian archers, Cataphracts, elephants etc.

[kostas84]

On the other hand, the men who actually conquered the East, Alexander's men, mostly stayed in the East and settled there. The men in Macedon didn't really do anything other than oppress the Hellenes. The Seleucids and Ptolemies would have had a greater reservoir of veterans/their descendants to draw from. The Eastern diadochoi not only retained their Macedonian roots but embraced the better aspects of their new thralls ie Syrian archers, Cataphracts, elephants etc.

I understand now, thanks.

I beleive Rome should be able to recruit Imperial Legions at the start becuase the games Called Tome Total War.

I know this was intended as a troll post but Rome can already recruit more powerful and unique units in italy than lets say, in gaul, so i am perfect with that, ofc my arguement goes to waste when u say that its for any faction but still, i like the Romani for the way they are, most people wont understand, but meh.

[Ferdiad]

AOR dosnt work like you said. Recruitment is resrticted to Italy for two of the reforms ewhereas the next two nealry every unit can be recruited over half the map.

[kostas84]

Romani still have unique units(i guess) so i like that.

But my point is, why pick Macedon over lets say.. Baktria or the Seleucids? I mean, Baktria and the Seleucids have a better and more diverse unit roster than Macedon has, and Macedon hardly has any unique units so theres nothing unique about them.

Sure they have a unit, but thats just a unit, the Seleucid roster has massive diversity.

Baktria has diversity too, and unique one at that.

This is with the exception of starting position ofc.