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    Default US marine in Haditha case 'should serve no time'

    I find this really troubling. I understand other similar cases have ended with the guilty US soldiers being jailed for long period of time, but how could they get off so easily in this one? The family of those killed deserve to see some justice for the killings of their loved ones, and I don't see any sensible justice being served here. Any thoughts?

    US marine in Haditha case 'should serve no time'

    A US marine who admitted charges linked to the killing of 24 unarmed Iraqi civilians in 2005 should face no time in detention, a judge has recommended.

    The decision by the judge at Camp Pendleton, California, must be approved by the commander of the Marine Corps Forces Central Command.

    Sgt Frank Wuterich faced a maximum of three months after admitting dereliction of duty in a plea deal.

    He was one of eight marines charged over the killings at Haditha.

    The charges against six were dropped or dismissed, and one was acquitted.

    Military judge Lt Col David Jones said his hands had been tied by the terms of the plea agreement. However, he said he would recommend that Wuterich's rank be reduced to private.

    The judge said he had decided not to dock the marine's pay because Wuterich is divorced with sole custody of his three young children.

    Prosecutors had asked that Wuterich receive the maximum sentence of three months confinement, reduction in rank and forfeiture of two-thirds of his pay.

    'Horrific result'
    Wuterich's guilty plea ended the trial at Camp Pendleton nearly seven years after the killings.

    Prosecutors had argued that on the day of the killings Wuterich lost control after seeing a friend blown apart by a bomb, before leading the soldiers under his command on a rampage.

    They said his decision to send his squad to attack nearby homes went against his training.

    "That is a horrific result from that derelict order of shooting first, ask questions later," Lt Col Sean Sullivan told the court.

    Among the dead were women, children and elderly people, including a man in a wheelchair.


    Relatives of the victims have expressed outrage at the outcome of the trial
    His former squad members testified during the hearings that they were not fired upon nor did they find any weapons at the scene of the killings.

    Wuterich told the court that he ordered his men to "shoot first, ask questions later" so they would not hesitate in attacking the enemy, but he never intended to harm any civilians.

    In his statement he addressed relatives of the Iraqi victims, saying there were no words to ease their pain.

    "I wish to assure you that on that day, it was never my intention to harm you or your families. I know that you are the real victims of November 19, 2005," he said.

    In Iraq, the plea deal that stopped Wuterich's trial on several charges of manslaughter sparked outrage.

    Survivor Awis Fahmi Hussein, who had been shot in the back, said: "I was expecting that the American judiciary would sentence this person to life in prison and that he would appear and confess in front of the whole world that he committed this crime, so that America could show itself as democratic and fair."
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16712488

    and he seems a bit to happy here:

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    Because he wasn't charged with murder, he was charged with dereliction. Why will no one write about this?
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    Maybe you should check the other thread where this was being discussed today. And hopefully educate yourself.

    What's up with this recent crusade you've been on against the US lately? Did we piss off Armenia somehow?

    It was the whole Kim Kardashian thing, wasn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevins View Post
    Because he wasn't charged with murder, he was charged with dereliction. Why will no one write about this?
    I don't understand. Weren't they responsible for the murders still?

    Quote Originally Posted by s.rwitt View Post
    Maybe you should check the other thread where this was being discussed today. And hopefully educate yourself.

    What's up with this recent crusade you've been on against the US lately? Did we piss off Armenia somehow?

    It was the whole Kim Kardashian thing, wasn't it?
    I'm not on any crusade against US. It's just these kind of things get to me, regardless of the nationality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Mov View Post
    I don't understand. Weren't they responsible for the murders still?

    Do you have proof it was murder?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imperial View Post
    Do you have proof it was murder?
    He plead guilty. Not to mention the families themselves of the victims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Mov View Post
    He plead guilty.
    No he didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Mov View Post
    He plead guilty. Not to mention the families themselves of the victims.
    He plead guilty to dereliction of duty, not murder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by s.rwitt View Post
    Maybe you should check the other thread where this was being discussed today. And hopefully educate yourself.

    What's up with this recent crusade you've been on against the US lately? Did we piss off Armenia somehow?

    It was the whole Kim Kardashian thing, wasn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanaric View Post
    Its Hate Week, so this is to be expected. Every citizen is required to contribute 2 minutes hate.
    I never said I hate America. I just found the sentencing of this man too light. That makes me an "America hater" now? I may very well disagree with US foreign policies, but saying I hate the whole country is a bit strong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Mov View Post
    I never said I hate America. I just found the sentencing of this man too light. That makes me an "America hater" now? I may very well disagree with US foreign policies, but saying I hate the whole country is a bit strong.
    No not you, he mentioned "everyone" and I directed that comment in that regard I know what you said isn't hate. I'm sorry you took it that way.
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    Default Re: US marine in Haditha case 'should serve no time'

    That doesn't make his charge murder...ing obviously...

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    Quote Originally Posted by s.rwitt View Post
    That doesn't make his charge murder...ing obviously...
    there were women and children huddled up close to each other shot in point blank range. EDITED.
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    Quote Originally Posted by s.rwitt View Post
    That doesn't make his charge murder...ing obviously...
    Which means, at best, he's getting off on a technicality. Without getting muddled in the legalese that mired this case for seven damn years, he directly contributed to the unlawful and unnecessary deaths of some two dozen people, he is directly responsible, whether he really meant for it to happen or not. To serve no time at all seems a miscarriage after his own admission.
    Quote Originally Posted by Broseph Stalin
    Wouldn't be surprised if US apologists would just call all the civilians that were murdered by that US marines as "terrorists".
    I would be surprised if you could make a single relevant comment in a thread about Americans or America, OR if you ever were able to properly capitalize "Marines".
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    Quote Originally Posted by motiv-8 View Post
    I would be surprised if you could make a single relevant comment in a thread about Americans or America, OR if you ever were able to properly capitalize "Marines".
    Don't hold your breath. If it hasn't happened yet, chances are it never will.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Mov View Post
    He still holds some responsibility for those horrific acts. 'Complex situation' in not an excuse. He was the one that lit the fuse.
    Should he and the others at fault have been punished (with lengthy prison terms), of course, but the prosecution ed up and he plead guilty to a lesser charge. happens, deal with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motiv-8 View Post
    I would be surprised if you could make a single relevant comment in a thread about Americans or America, OR if you ever were able to properly capitalize "Marines".
    Just because one's post does not praise US doesn't mean its "irrelevant", especially in a thread discussing the murder of civilians by an American "marine".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broseph Stalin View Post
    Just because one's post does not praise US doesn't mean its "irrelevant", especially in a thread discussing the murder of civilians by an American "marine".
    That it didn't praise the US was not what made it irrelevant. The fact that the post contributed nothing to the discussion on the other hand made it irrelevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kralle18 View Post
    That it didn't praise the US was not what made it irrelevant. The fact that the post contributed nothing to the discussion on the other hand made it irrelevant.
    Again, it did contribute, I was commenting on how the murders of civilians by "marines" were constantly being justified by the system. Thats why US fanboys are calling it "irrelevant", since it goes against the whole "it was an accident" justification of those murders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Mov View Post
    Yes and the dereliction directly led to the murders.

    I'm going to break it down for you since you apparently don't know how court proceedings work. The Marines and Wuterich got off scott-free because the prosecution sucked big time. They went straight for murder charges without having a malice intent. They would have got them on a manslaughter charge if they went for that, but you can't charge them with both manslaughter and murder, it would make no sense.

    I believe after reviewing all the evidence that no trier of fact can conclude Staff Sgt. Wuterich formed the criminal intent to kill. When a Marine fails to exercise due care and civilians die, the charge of negligent homicide, and not murder, is appropriate...The case against Staff Sgt. Wuterich is simply not strong enough to conclude he committed murder beyond a reasonable doubt. Almost all witnesses have an obvious bias or prejudice
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    Quote Originally Posted by s.rwitt View Post
    That doesn't make his charge murder...ing obviously...
    Quote Originally Posted by Seether View Post
    But he didn't plead guilty to murder. Read your own sources, Jesus...
    My point was that his order resulted in those deaths, and I think the sentence he was given was too light, even given that he did not murder them himself.


    Quote Originally Posted by Imperial View Post
    I'm going to break it down for you since you apparently don't know how court proceedings work. The Marines and Wuterich got off scott-free because the prosecution sucked big time. They went straight for murder charges without having a malice intent. They would have got them on a manslaughter charge if they went for that, but you can't charge them with both manslaughter and murder, it would make no sense.
    Well he can't be charged with direct murder, but he should have been charged with manslaughter or whatever the charge appropriate for his misconduct. He made a very stupid order that resulted in many innocent deaths, I just believe his sentence was too light.
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