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    http://www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/Jew...aspx?id=254979
    German report: 20% of Germans are anti-Semitic

    BERLIN - The German government released on Monday the findings of a two year inquiry into modern anti-Semitism in the Federal Republic, showing that latent anti-Semitism affects one of every five Germans.

    The 202 page study, entitled "Anti-Semitism in Germany," covered a wide spectrum of German anti-Semitism, including hatred of the Jewish state as a manifestations of anti-Semitism within the Left movement and Islamic-animated loathing of Israel and Jews, especially from Iran's regime and the Turkish media.

    The study revealed that the word "Jew" is used a pejorative term among German pupils to denigrate fellow students and as form of insult.

    The historian Dr. Peter Longerich, a historian of the Nazi period and member of the commission, noted that "Anti-Semitism in our society is based on widespread prejudices, cliches with deep roots and pure ignorance about everything to do with Jews and Judaism."
    Hitler won?
    In the wake of the Arab Spring (which spiked anti-Semitism across the Middle East, for some reason) and the upcoming memorial day for the Holocaust, do you think the world has gotten over anti-Semitism?
    Or is it still not completley safe for Jews to live anywhere but in Israel?
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    Disliking Israel is anti Semitic? Really? How odd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolling Thunder View Post
    Disliking Israel is anti Semitic? Really? How odd.
    No way.

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    Disliking Israel is anti Semitic? Really? How odd.
    Against Jews = anti-semitic
    Against Israel = anti-Zionist
    "The Jews of the United States brought the United States into the first World War, and if you tow our line over Palestine and the Jew army there, we can persuade the Jews of the United States to drag the United States into it again this time."

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    as i read this article in ynet i noticed that every german who identified with the phrase "jews have too much power" has been labeled anti semitic
    what percentage do you think we would get here in the forum with this kind of criteria?

    frankly the more i take part here in the debates the more i am disgusted
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    Quote Originally Posted by ash874 View Post
    as i read this article in ynet i noticed that every german who identified with the phrase "jews have too much power" has been labeled anti semitic
    what percentage do you think we would get here in the forum with this kind of criteria?

    frankly the more i take part here in the debates the more i am disgusted
    this is right. i read the article in a german newspaper an the creteria to be considered antisemitic was really low. the word "latent" in the op is the key word.
    jokes about jews in "family guy" are an example for antisemitism taken into consideration in this report. while its still sad its not like every 5th german wants a holocaust or blames jews for problems of the world.

    in this forum (at least in the mudpit) 50-70% of the people would be considered latent antisemitic i estimate.

    Quote Originally Posted by s.rwitt View Post
    "Anti-semitism effects one in five Germans"...

    Heinz, Thorn, Eisenkopf, Mangalore, Alreich...fess up, which one of you is it?
    lol. when i read the article yesterday it made me think in deed. by the standards of the article i for sure would be part of the 20% as i sometimes make inapropriate jokes about jews. :-(

    on the other hand in other countries the result would be similar i am sure. i have the impression that for instance in eastern europe or america it would even be higher. maybe i am wrong though. since the creteria was so latent i doubt if the result means anything.

    its just prejudice mixed with inapropriate humor. jews have money and are agressive hagglers, english eat abd food and have bad teeth, germans are fat, beermonsters in lederhosen, etc. maybe by definition thats all antisemitic and yet i only think of the very negative word antisemitism when i read from holocaust denies, conspiracists that blame zionist groups etc.
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    I feel bad for the German people, this is probably going to lead to more thought police legislation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitsunegari View Post
    I feel bad for the German people, this is probably going to lead to more thought police legislation.
    When in doubt call the thought police, because attacking the thought is easier than finding a solution to the cause.

    Then again I guess in germany solutions tend to be final.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanaric View Post
    Then again I guess in germany solutions tend to be final.
    if the majority of germans would be of jewish faith you would be an antisemite too now

    Quote Originally Posted by Kitsunegari View Post
    I feel bad for the German people, this is probably going to lead to more thought police legislation.
    we have no though police. i am not even sure if we have a device to read minds. i think you are refering to the law of not denying part of our history IN PUBLIC. thats not so bad at all. if you are not a hardcore nazi your freedom will not be limited by this. if you are - well its limited slightly. and even famous holocaust denyers like irving were able to speek in germany at the npd nazi party and other right extremist groups. its not like you are getting deported to cuba right away for questioning holocaust facts or claims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitsunegari View Post
    I feel bad for the German people, this is probably going to lead to more thought police legislation.
    There is a discussion about violent political extremism going on because of the kebab killers. The study may have be done earlier but now it plays into this context. Another aspect is that because of the kebab murderers it is discussed whether the internior services of the German Bundeslander should be merged with the federal agency. This has been controversial for various reasons in German politics for years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blau&Gruen View Post
    There is a discussion about violent political extremism going on because of the kebab killers. The study may have be done earlier but now it plays into this context. Another aspect is that because of the kebab murderers it is discussed whether the internior services of the German Bundeslander should be merged with the federal agency. This has been controversial for various reasons in German politics for years.
    Indeed. I have never really had a fellow German express any anti-Semitic feelings to me. Sure we make jokes, but we aren't serious.

    What I have seen, however, is blatant racism and xenophobia. Growing up in rustic East Germany, I have seen the Neo-Nazis--they are everywhere, especially at bus stops. Instead of passing stupid laws, just get rid of those bastards. Take a bunch of SWAT cars through East Germany and stop at every bus stop, picking up all the Faschos. Then kill'em. Problem solved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ash874 View Post
    as i read this article in ynet i noticed that every german who identified with the phrase "jews have too much power" has been labeled anti semitic
    what percentage do you think we would get here in the forum with this kind of criteria?

    frankly the more i take part here in the debates the more i am disgusted
    some people understood my comment as if im saying that calling the germans anti semitic is rediculous.
    thats not what i meant. it isnt rediculous. anti semitic is a not very clear term. the correct term to describe someone who identifies with the above mentioned statement is "prejudiced"
    and what i meant in the last two sentences of the comment was that we would be lucky if a whole 20% of the forumytes would not be considered prejudiced against jews by the same criteria

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    Quote Originally Posted by ash874 View Post
    some people understood my comment as if im saying that calling the germans anti semitic is rediculous.
    thats not what i meant. it isnt rediculous. anti semitic is a not very clear term. the correct term to describe someone who identifies with the above mentioned statement is "prejudiced"
    and what i meant in the last two sentences of the comment was that we would be lucky if a whole 20% of the forumytes would not be considered prejudiced against jews by the same criteria
    I understand you ASH even if no 1 else does...But we are all prejudised against our neighbour.Look at the Balkans.Iran Iraq.North Korea and the South.France and Britain and Germany.We dont go around crying about it though.
    Wars make people like this.We all need enemys.Maybe if Israel was not a racist apartheid colonial state that persecuetes semites everyday and had 47 UN resolutions against it and been found guilty of war crimes then maybe this anti semitism would not be sooo strong..
    The Israeli state has created anti semitism in the middle east with its barbaric ethnic cleansing....
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    stockholm syndrome?

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    They have laws to assist in hiding anti semitism so this comes to no surprise.

    Im sure we would have similar numbers in the US but they at least are in the KKK or express their hatred so we know who they are.
    Quote Originally Posted by ash874 View Post
    as i read this article in ynet i noticed that every german who identified with the phrase "jews have too much power" has been labeled anti semitic
    what percentage do you think we would get here in the forum with this kind of criteria?
    Probably 90% or some ridiculous like that. Wait a month then make that as a poll.
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    Ummm the criteria is messed up. Not approving of the actions of the State of Israel does not equal hatred of the Jewish people. Not approving of the actions of the Russian Federation does not mean you hate the Russian people, disapproving of the actions of the American government does not mean you hate the American people, disapproving of the actions of the PRC does not mean you hate the Chinese people.



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    I would not be too shocked or worried.
    You could probably get 20% of any population to be anti some thing.
    Be it Jew,s. Christians the many varieties,Muslims. Every nationality on this planet.
    People on welfare, Gays, State employee,s . So many choices for humanity to dislike.
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    I would not be too shocked or worried.
    You could probably get 20% of any population to be anti some thing.
    Be it Jew,s. Christians the many varieties,Muslims. Every nationality on this planet.
    People on welfare, Gays, State employee,s . So many choices for humanity to dislike.

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    This isn't just about one certain criteria. It's about a collection of them.
    Because you can't just go to people and directly ask them "Are you anti-Semitic?", that'd bring completley unreliable results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rome101 View Post
    This isn't just about one certain criteria. It's about a collection of them.
    Because you can't just go to people and directly ask them "Are you anti-Semitic?", that'd bring completley unreliable results.
    so you make a collection of them and make a generalized statement

    genius!

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    And asking if they don't like Israel is the same as asking if you don't like jews? Would this give more reliable results?

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