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    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...80M0IU20120123
    (Reuters) - The European Union banned imports of oil from Iran on Monday and imposed a number of other economic sanctions, joining the United States in a new round of measures aimed at deflecting Tehran's nuclear development program.

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    In Iran, one politician responded by renewing a threat to blockade the Strait of Hormuz, an oil exporting route vital to the global economy, and another said Tehran should cut off oil to the EU immediately.

    That might hurt Greece, Italy and other ailing economies which depend heavily on Iranian crude and, as a result, won as part of the EU agreement a grace period until July 1 before the embargo takes full effect.

    A day after a U.S. aircraft carrier, accompanied by a flotilla that included French and British warships, made a symbolically loaded voyage into the Gulf in defiance of Iranian hostility, the widely expected EU sanctions move was likely to set off further bellicose rhetoric in an already tense region.

    Some analysts say Iran, which denies accusations that it seeking nuclear weapons, could be in a position to make them next year. So, with Israel warning it could use force to prevent that happening, the row over Tehran's plans is an increasingly pressing challenge for world leaders, not least U.S. President Barack Obama as he campaigns for re-election in November.

    Meeting in Brussels, foreign ministers from the 27-state EU, which as a bloc is Iran's second-biggest customer for crude after China, agreed to an immediate ban on all new contracts to import, purchase or transport Iranian crude oil and petroleum products. However, EU countries with existing contracts to buy oil and petroleum products can honor them up to July 1.

    EU officials said they also agreed to freeze the assets of Iran's central bank and ban trade in gold and other precious metals with the bank and state bodies.

    Along with U.S. sanctions imposed on December 31, the Western powers hope choking exports and hence funding can force Iran's leaders to agree to curbs on a nuclear program the West says is intended to yield weapons.

    EU SEEKS TALKS

    EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton said: "I want the pressure of these sanctions to result in negotiations.

    "I want to see Iran come back to the table and either pick up all the ideas that we left on the table ... last year ... or to come forward with its own ideas."

    Iran has said lately that it is willing to hold talks with Western powers, though there have been mixed signals on whether conditions imposed by either side make new negotiations likely.

    The Islamic Republic insists it is enriching uranium only for electricity and other civilian uses.

    It has powerful defenders against the Western action in the form of Russia and China, which argue that the new sanctions are unnecessary, and can also probably count on China and other Asian countries to go on buying much of its oil, despite U.S. and European efforts to dissuade them.

    A member of Iran's influential Assembly of Experts, former intelligence minister Ali Fallahian, said Tehran should respond to the delayed-action EU sanctions by stopping sales to the bloc immediately, denying the Europeans time to arrange alternative supplies and damaging their economies with higher oil prices.

    "The best way is to stop exporting oil ourselves before the end of this six months and before the implementation of the plan," the semi-official Fars news agency quoted him as saying.

    He also reiterated that Iran could close the Strait of Hormuz, the narrow channel between the Gulf and open sea through which a third of all oil tanker traffic passes to importers around the world.

    Washington has said it will not tolerate any closure, a position underlined by Sunday's passage through the strait of a U.S. flotilla around the carrier Abraham Lincoln, accompanied by two European frigates, Britain's Argyll and France's La Motte-Picquet.

    HORMUZ THREAT

    While Iran's Revolutionary Guards, possibly aware of their impending arrival, had backed away on Saturday from a threat made by a vice president last month to prevent "even one drop of oil" passing through the strait if the West embargoed Iran's crude, a senior member of parliament said on Monday that the closure remained an option if exports were disrupted.

    "If any disruption happens regarding the sale of Iranian oil, the Strait of Hormuz will definitely be closed," Mohammad Kossari, deputy head of parliament's foreign affairs and national security committee, told Fars.

    While the Western powers were at pains to describe their naval movement through the strait as routine, a view echoed by the Revolutionary Guards, they also stressed its symbolism.

    "On this occasion HMS Argyll and a French vessel joined a U.S. carrier group transiting through the Strait of Hormuz, to underline the unwavering international commitment to maintaining rights of passage under international law," Britain's defense ministry said in a statement.

    In Paris, spokesman Thierry Burkhard said: "It's a sign to Iran if they want to consider it like that."

    Iran, the world's No. 5 oil exporter and also rich in natural gas, says it is enriching uranium and developing other nuclear technologies to meet rising energy needs. But the U.N. nuclear watchdog agency reported in November that it had evidence suggesting Iran had worked on designing an atomic bomb.

    The unprecedented effort to take Iran's 2.6 million barrels of oil per day off international markets has kept global prices high, pushed down Iran's rial currency and caused a surge in the cost of basic goods for Iranians.
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    British and French vessels joined a US CVBG in a six-strong flotilla of warships which passed through the sensitive Strait of Hormuz, Britain's Ministry of Defence said Sunday.

    The ministry said a Royal Navy frigate, HMS Argyll, was part of a US-led carrier group to sail through the waterway which Iran has threatened to close over Western moves to impose new sanctions over Tehran's nuclear programme.

    A spokesman said: "HMS Argyll and a French vessel joined a US carrier group transiting through the Strait of Hormuz, to underline the unwavering international commitment to maintaining rights of passage under international law."

    He said Britain maintained "a constant presence in the region as part of our enduring contribution to Gulf security".

    The French Navy vessel is thought to be La Motte-Picquet anti-submarine frigate.
    Seems that US and EU are increasing the pressure on the Iranian regime. At this point if nothing changes I think that war is inevitable.

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    Why does the USA have a problem with Iran developing nuclear weapons?

    Obama has threatened war "by fall 2012" if they don't halt their program.
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    Didn't think they'd do it. I don't really know what to think if this to be honest, other than I don't think it is a good thing that Iran get's nuclear weapons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kralle18 View Post
    Didn't think they'd do it. I don't really know what to think if this to be honest, other than I don't think it is a good thing that Iran get's nuclear weapons.
    But I don't think it's a good thing to have a war with them either...
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    Default Re: EU bans Iranian oil, French and British frigates joined USS Abraham Lincoln carrier group in Strait of Hormuz

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Croccer View Post
    But I don't think it's a good thing to have a war with them either...
    Nope, neither do I.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irelandeb View Post
    Why does the USA have a problem with Iran developing nuclear weapons?

    Obama has threatened war "by fall 2012" if they don't halt their program.
    can you use a real source for this please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by irelandeb View Post
    Why does the USA have a problem with Iran developing nuclear weapons?

    Obama has threatened war "by fall 2012" if they don't halt their program.
    US issue with Irans nuclear program may probably be different to my reason but if anything we don't need any more nations anywhere around the world producing nuclear weapons. The more nations with them the more chance something could possibly go wrong.

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    "Seems that US and EU are increasing the pressure on the Iranian regime. At this point if nothing changes I think that war is inevitable."

    after Irans big change of heart on their hardline stance towards the 5th fleet in the straits I would say war is rather less likely. What exactly would a war accomplish for the west at this point? ESpecially with the US elections coming up and how MASSIVELY unpopular a war would be in the US now. The EU certainly isnt going to launch any attacks and despite all the rhetoric, Iran knows it would be suicide to do any kind of actual attack.

    THe only country crazy enough to do something would be Israel... and I just dont see the EU or US getting actively involved "rhetoric aside" if they went full crazy and attacked Iran

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluttershy View Post
    THe only country crazy enough to do something would be Israel... and I just dont see the EU or US getting actively involved "rhetoric aside" if they went full crazy and attacked Iran
    Banning the importation of oil from Iran has serious implications in economic terms so I think that US and EU are willing to use every possible means in order to stop the Iranian nuclear program.

    The only option left is a military intervention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Principe Alessandro View Post
    Banning the importation of oil from Iran has serious implications in economic terms so I think that US and EU are willing to use every possible means in order to stop the Iranian nuclear program.

    The only option left is a military intervention.
    Perhaps the only way to escalate is the military option, but that does not mean that it logically follows. Right now all the west has to do is sit back and watch the Iranian economy continue to implode, no need for a war. Even if the Iranians are stupid enough to attack something, that still doesn't mean a ground invasion will follow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevins View Post
    Perhaps the only way to escalate is the military option, but that does not mean that it logically follows. Right now all the west has to do is sit back and watch the Iranian economy continue to implode, no need for a war. Even if the Iranians are stupid enough to attack something, that still doesn't mean a ground invasion will follow.
    Well I don't have the same optimistic view, maybe the Iranian economy will be destroyed but I don't think that this will make the Iranian leaders change their policy.

    I have already seen this kind of strategy with Iraq, with Gheddafi they haven't even bothered to wait some time to see if the sanctions could work.

    The problem is that the Iranian leaders won't care at all about the consequences of those sanctions.

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    My brother served on the carrier USS Abraham Lincoln. It was in the Persian Gulf when Iran was threatening the same carrier group back in 2000. The USS Cole was bombed while in formation with the Lincoln. Considering the Lincoln's history in the gulf, it seems fitting that its there to do a stand-off. Heh
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    Greece is going to suffer a lot with this... Most of their oil comes from Iran!

    For Christ sake, the world is going mad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zé do Pipo View Post
    Greece is going to suffer a lot with this... Most of their oil comes from Iran!

    For Christ sake, the world is going mad.
    Nope. If Greece hadn't agreed, the EU wouldn't have declared an embargo. It seems that the EU assured Greece of other cheap oil markets.

    Anyway, it's a stupid move that will probably lead to a monopoly for all European countries will now be dependent on Saudi Arabia and the other Arabian states or even Russia. Iran sold its oil in fair prices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manuel I Komnenos View Post
    Anyway, it's a stupid move that will probably lead to a monopoly for all European countries will now be dependent on Saudi Arabia and the other Arabian states or even Russia. Iran sold its oil in fair prices.
    You Europeans can still buy oil from Nigeria, South Sudan (oh I forget Sudan rob their oil last week), Nordic countries or Canada.
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    Seems like everybody will lose out in this situation and if the EU is seeking talks well they may as well not bother now as any chance of Iran agreeing to whatever the EU wanted will be reduced due the less than subtle arm twisting.

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    Default Re: EU bans Iranian oil, French and British frigates joined USS Abraham Lincoln carrier group in Strait of Hormuz

    Or alternatively, the more nations that have nuclear weapons the less likely any wars are to happen at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caelifer_1991 View Post
    Or alternatively, the more nations that have nuclear weapons the less likely any wars are to happen at all.
    You never know, but I rather take the path of reducing nuclear weapon numbers rather than producing more.

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    If a war against Iran happens then the Caucasus and the middle east will be ed for the next couple of decades. A war against Iran will spill into the Caucasus and the rest of the Middle-East.

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    Iranian guy saying its 100% certain the straight will be closed as a response ohhh the Mayan prophesy is true..http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16154438


    The EU has formally agreed to an Iranian oil embargo - but a senior Iranian official has responded with defiance, saying the country "will definitely" close the Strait of Hormuz.
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