"The Sekigahara Campaign" is a total conversion mod that seeks to represent the late Azuchi-Momoyama and, to a small extent, the early Edo periods.
Here in the Sekigahara Historical Research Center, you are welcome to put forth any fact or reference that you feel fits into the the timeline of our campaign (1591-1700, essentially).
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Yoshisuke's Extensive Collection of Armour Sets and Kabuto's, Naoe's Letter by kujirakira
Originally Posted by yoshisuke
This kabuto from the Stibbert museum in Firenze is in the shape of a upside-down gosu (lacquer bowl).
So why not a tea cup ?
And a wonderful 120 suji kabuto by Neo Masanobu for the Uesugi clan. Attachment 205653
Originally Posted by yoshisuke
Did some researchs for a general hero unit for the Toyotomi since the Tokugawa will have Honda Tadamasa, Sakakibara Yasumasa and Itakura Katsushige.
The only Toyotomi general who didn't become an independant daimyo and had a unique armor is Katagiri Katsumoto, one of "the seven spears of Shizugatake.
He was known fo his bear-fur covered armor.
First, a better picture of Kuroda Nagamasa's famous ich-no-tani armor. Attachment 201680
This one is interesting for it's original nio-do style. Attachment 201681
And last but not least (slightly off-topic but worth it) Takeda Shingen's legendary armor. Attachment 201682
Originally Posted by kujirakira
I remembered by chance that NHK's Taiga on Naoe Kanetsugu from a few years ago read the letter in it's entirety. As the drama is subtitled by NHK into English every year, it was a matter of figuring out which episode it was.
The reading of the letter takes up most of Episode 37.
Otherwise I've transcribed it already from their subtitles. According to the drama, the letter wasn't just sent to Ieyasu but to the 5 Ministers (Mori, Ukita, Tokugawa, Maeda, & Uesugi themselves) and the 5 Counselors (includes Ishida, Fukushima, Naoe himself, don't remember the others off the top of my head) that were supposed to be keeping things on an even keel while Hideyoshi's son was still young.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
The Naoe-jo
For one, regarding the various explanations ...
I hear you have your suspicions on the various rumors about Aizu.
As much as I can't blame you for it, I'm sure you will hear of the truth eventually. It is truly regrettable that you should feel that my lord, Kagekatsu, has not spent enough days in Kyoto. The Uesugi had just transferred fiefs two years ago. If we keep going to Kyoto, we'll not be able to administer government in our province. To accuse Kagekatsu of treason based on that is extremely wrong. I would like to see the face of the shallow-minded fellow who spread such rumors.
You demand a written pledge to prove no treacherous intent, but what does the written pledge we have submitted already signify? Kagekatsu is known throughout the lands to be an upright man. He has absolutely nothing to be ashamed of. I am surprised that someone as great as yourself, Ieyasu, would charge us for treason without verifying the truth. Was I completely wrong to have respected you as a fair man?
The manner in which you handled the Maeda family in Kaga truly shows your authority, is all I can say. How can a fine man like you be made a fool of by someone like Hori Hideharu? It is truly pitiable.
You condemn us for purchasing weapons, but this is the practice of country samurai. It's better than the Kamigata samurai obsessed with silly teacups. That shouldn't arouse any concerns.
The Uesugi clan shares borders with the Hori in Echigo, Date, Mogami, and various other daimyo clans.
However, only Lord Hori of Kasugayama Castle is ranting treason for paving a road to another province. Apparently he must be a fool. If Kagekatsu harbored any treacherous intent, he would've closed the borders and surrounded the castle by a moat. Why would he pave a road to allow the enemy to attack? Only a complete idiot would do that. It is clear in everyone's eyes as to who is right on this.
It appears that it is the fad these days for men who have treacherous intent to submit, if they see no chance of victory. However, it is an insult to Kagekatsu to be put in the same level as those disgraceful men. It will make us lose our samurai honor from Lord Kenshin's days.
If you are going to believe the liar and not conduct a proper investigation, then the Uesugi will not go to Kyoto. Is there really fault in Kagekatsu? Or are you, Ieyasu, a double-dealer?
The decision rests on Heaven.
I repeat. If you are going to believe the liar's words at face value and suspect Kagekatsu then there is nothing more we can do.
I can only be disappointed that you, Ieyasu, turned out to be someone that is unrighteous and unreasonable.
Hideyori was 22 in 1615 so the armor would fit whitout problem. And the richests families often had armors made for the sons coming of age ceremony and even earlier. There's examples of armors made for 12 years old boys. And 15 was the age at wich a 'man' was authorized to go to war. (Famous examples are Oda Nobunaga, Date Masamune. Others had even worse karma like Uesugi Kenshin (Nagao Kagetora at this time) who not only fought at 15 but against his own brother who died in the battle)
As for where I found the pics well.. Mostly from books (which are far more reliable than internet) and internet. But caution is required there because there' a lot of badly copied armors.
I've found the last Sanada armor I've posted on a book and found pics on internet (but nothing pointed out that it was a Sanada armor on internet so if you search Sanada armor on google it won't show up) This particular armor used to be in a french collection (met the owner)
I don't want to be rude but did you find Masayuki's bio on wikipedia ?
And I absolutly don't believe in ninjas hired to kill daimyo and generals. Uesugi Kenshin killed by an Oda ninja ? Sounds ridiculous to me. Ninja, during sengoku jidai, were scouts for armies, spies and saboteurs, sometimes, but stealth killers sneaking into a castle to surgically kill ? highly unlickly.
Edit : If you want proofs of how internet is poorly reliable. Someone in another total war forum said this armor was one of Hideyoshi's. Attachment 201511
But Erwin Rommel said in another thread here that it's Date Masamune's. (and I'd be interested to read what he think's of it, even if I'd rather trust him on this)
And this one is labeled as Sakai but the ladder is one of the Sanada family symbol. Attachment 201512
It might even mean it belongs to a member of one of the families who was adopted or was married to a daughter of the other. (and I honestly don't have any clue)
The armor of Hachisuka Awaji no kami Munekazu. Not really from the Sekigahara period but it's one of the beautifulest armor I've ever seen (the pic is in HQ it will probably look better if you save it and open it with windows viewer or whatever.) Attachment 200954
Another really beautiful armor (don't know the owner) the details quality is wonderful. And the color scheme is interesting. Attachment 200952
And I have a pic of a Sanada Daimyo armor coming. Don't know when though.
Let's start this with a question regarding the history of what transpired during the sekigahara campaign. When it began, how widespread was warfare across Japan, was it mostly in the central areas, the east and the north? Or was western Japan also seeing combat? What little I know of the actual campaign, it appears to mostly be a number of sieges leading up to the battle at Sekigahara. Can anyone provide some more information on what transpired during the campaign across Japan?
As far as I remember right now, small sieges and skirmishes as the two armies were moving to meet each others. Some battles in kyushu and between the Date and the Uesugi. And, of course the battle of Ueda.
In the end I'm not sure we can call that a total war.
A bit condensed, but each point can be google'd for more depth:
-Ieyasu travels along the tokaido to Edo (imagine Shogun 2 map: he goes Settsu, Omi, northern Ise, Owari, Mikawa, etc)
-Kagekatsu: "Pfft. We got this. We'll squish Ieyasu before Mogami/Date/Nanbu/Tokugawa squishes us."
-Ieyasu sends a few waves back the way they came who deal with a few forts in Owari, Mikawa and Mino
-Kagekatsu and Kanetsugu loose their smugness when they finally realise Ieyasu, and thus Mitsunari, is not coming; Masamune is giving them a stern talking to here
-Ieyasu follows his guys back the way he came and up into Mino
-Hidetada and the Sanada get into it and Hidetada doesn't make it to the climatic battle
-Western forces secure places to the west/south-west of Mino like Tanabe and Fushimi castles
-Then you have the battle
Most certainly not total war, as the only decent action in the three-month campaign was between Southern Mino and Fukushima/Aizu and was really only about a dozen or so sieges as well as the battle of sekigahara itself.
Last edited by Akaie; January 23, 2012 at 08:31 AM.
In fact, It precisely Kagekatsu who unleashed the war. Because almost every daimyo were at Kyoto. Kagekatsu realised the war was inevitable so he went back to his lands prepare his army but he never said for wich side. But his position was a serious threat to Ieyasu who feared to be attacked on both sides. At this time Ieyasu was the leader of the Toyotomi army and most of powerfulest clans (Kato, Hosokawa & Fukushima) were still loyal to the Toyotomi but pissed at Mitsunari (for his role during the Korean campaign and because he was a polititian, not a warrior).
So Ieyasu asked all the daimyo to join against Kagkatsu, his intention at this point was to force every Daimyo to take position for or against him. When he realised he was supported by quite a large number of them, he had a chance to enter in a full open war against Mitsunari (but more or less still in the name of Toyotomi).
So in the end Kagekatsu did not declare war, Ieyasu called him enemy of the state.
Since we have Kagekatsu as the point of discussion, does anyone have a solid english version of the letter Kanetsugu wrote with offense intended against Ieyasu? All I've seen is very general references to it and small extracts, but never the whole thing.
For example, this snippet is commonplace: "while citified samurai busily collect tea implements, country samurai gather arms for war."
Since we have Kagekatsu as the point of discussion, does anyone have a solid english version of the letter Kanetsugu wrote with offense intended against Ieyasu? All I've seen is very general references to it and small extracts, but never the whole thing.
For example, this snippet is commonplace: "while citified samurai busily collect tea implements, country samurai gather arms for war."
Very good question, never found one, it would really be interesting. Is there someone here at twcenter who speaks and reads japanese ?
(and sorry if my previous post isn't clear, I'm tired)
All three of those involve breaking up the starting province patterns from vanilla. If that were possible I'd ask for Miyagi-no-Maeda to be broken up into different clans and Miyagi given to Date to be honest.
I already talked with Anton of the Idea of including new clans in the campaign, Nabeshima, Hachisuka and Sakakibara.
What about them ?
Originally Posted by robinzx
All three of those involve breaking up the starting province patterns from vanilla. If that were possible I'd ask for Miyagi-no-Maeda to be broken up into different clans and Miyagi given to Date to be honest.
Stuck these in here. More relevant, especially for extended discussion.
As for those three clans, it would really be a matter of swapping out names, banners, etc, which I'd rather put off until I at least get a beta out. This is because I've already planned out what I want to do between now and the next release.
But, for any clan I didn't include, it is a goal of mine to have them represented. Perhaps not in the way we'd all like, but it's something, right?
Sadly, no breaking up of current clan holdings or injecting new clans. It is clan swapping galore.
Stuck these in here. More relevant, especially for extended discussion.
As for those three clans, it would really be a matter of swapping out names, banners, etc, which I'd rather put off until I at least get a beta out. This is because I've already planned out what I want to do between now and the next release.
But, for any clan I didn't include, it is a goal of mine to have them represented. Perhaps not in the way we'd all like, but it's something, right?
Sadly, no breaking up of current clan holdings or injecting new clans. It is clan swapping galore.
Alright, sorry I posted the question again in the other thread, I thought I didn't post it, should have checked here before, my bad.
And I understand your point of finishing the beta before, it's logical.
The armor of Hachisuka Awaji no kami Munekazu. Not really from the Sekigahara period but it's one of the beautifulest armor I've ever seen (the pic is in HQ it will probably look better if you save it and open it with windows viewer or whatever.) Attachment 200954
Another really beautiful armor (don't know the owner) the details quality is wonderful. And the color scheme is interesting. Attachment 200952
And I have a pic of a Sanada Daimyo armor coming. Don't know when though.
Last edited by yoshisuke; January 23, 2012 at 10:40 AM.
Re: The Sekigahara Campaign - Historical Research Center
Believe it or not, the impressive decorations of those kawari kabuto are often made of laquered paper called harikake. So in the end it wasn't really heavier than a traditional suji kabuto. (Although Nagamasa's kabuto seems to be made of iron, it's hard to see from pictures).
Anyway, kawari kabuto were not meant to be used by lower ranking samurai, they were really expensive and reserved to the daimyo and the greatest generals. Those helmets appeared after the introduction of the matchlock in Japan. It became too dangerous for generals and daimyos to charge into battle so they remained in the back, giving orders. But they wanted to be seen and recognised from accross the battlefield as a rally point so they developped this impressive style.
The Sekigahara Campaign - Historical Research Center
Originally Posted by yoshisuke
This kabuto from the Stibbert museum in Firenze is in the shape of a upside-down gosu (lacquer bowl).
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