UK Police infiltrates deeply and without condom

[Garbarsardar]

UK undercover police officers, infiltrated deeply, repeatedly, and without precautions, a number of activists. While we are not sure of the exact details of each infiltration, at least two resulted in biological output, which is known as "offspring". It is not known if the police obtained hard data from this endeavor or if the officers later went soft on their targets. Nevertheless it is certain that the whole operation went all the way down.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/ja...dren-activists

[ivan_the_terrible]

That's disturbing.

The story too.

[Jedi1]

Whats most disturbing is the very fact that the British police have been conducting such apparently wide spread infiltrations of political activist groups at all.

[hellheaven1987]

Whats most disturbing is the very fact that the British police have been conducting such apparently wide spread infiltrations of political activist groups at all.

Why not? It is not like police cannot gather information as long as no one is hurted.

[Garbarsardar]

Why not? It is not like police cannot gather information as long as no one is hurted.

Every infiltration can cause a degree of pain, especially if the officers did not take the proper measures to ease their way in.

Still someone, someday, will have to explain to these children why exactly they were born; not to mention the harm done to the women of whom the trust has been exploited. Also I don't believe that this is the appropriate answer to the declining UK birthrate.

[hellheaven1987]

Every infiltration can cause a degree of pain, especially if the officers did not take the proper measures to ease their way in.

Except for those cases those infiltrated police did not follow the proper instruction - kindly their own personal fault. Yet it does not mean police has no right to infiltrate into free organization.

[ivan_the_terrible]

Every infiltration can cause a degree of pain, especially if the officers did not take the proper measures to ease their way in.

I was going to make a lubrication joke too.

[Jedi1]

Why not? It is not like police cannot gather information as long as no one is hurted.

You don't find anything wrong with police constantly monitoring any and all opposition to the government, treating citizens exercising their rights as criminals, using tax payers money to spy on law abiding tax payers. It dosn't at all smack of authoritarianism to you?

[Phier]

You don't find anything wrong with police constantly monitoring any and all opposition to the government, treating citizens exercising their rights as criminals, using tax payers money to spy on law abiding tax payers. It dosn't at all smack of authoritarianism to you?

Its also the government doing its job. What happens when a group does something violent? People complain the government should have done something to prevent it.

The problem I think we have here is there is a fine line between being 'deep undercover' and 'going deep under the covers'. James Bond is great and all but hes not much of a role model for real work.

The US has had agents do this to infiltrate criminal gangs, which is fundamentally the same being in both cases you have no proof of a crime.

[mongrel]

Its also the government doing its job. What happens when a group does something violent? People complain the government should have done something to prevent it.

The problem I think we have here is there is a fine line between being 'deep undercover' and 'going deep under the covers'. James Bond is great and all but hes not much of a role model for real work.

The US has had agents do this to infiltrate criminal gangs, which is fundamentally the same being in both cases you have no proof of a crime.

Taxpayers pay police to do the day job, not the hand or blow job.

[Plan C]

Its also the government doing its job. What happens when a group does something violent? People complain the government should have done something to prevent it.

The problem I think we have here is there is a fine line between being 'deep undercover' and 'going deep under the covers'. James Bond is great and all but hes not much of a role model for real work.

The US has had agents do this to infiltrate criminal gangs, which is fundamentally the same being in both cases you have no proof of a crime.

OK, only cos you're asking for it - what is the government's job then? Question one. Secondly, try and paint some kind of definition for proactive approach to policing.

[sabaku_no_gaara]

You don't find anything wrong with police constantly monitoring any and all opposition to the government, treating citizens exercising their rights as criminals, using tax payers money to spy on law abiding tax payers. It dosn't at all smack of authoritarianism to you?

Dutch national security infiltrated and destroyed many far left (communist) groups in the past, people still have trouble getting acces to the files that exist on them, They also heavily infiltrated and destroyed the far right CD party back in the 90's.


I see no harm done really

[YukonTrooper]

Whats most disturbing is the very fact that the British police have been conducting such apparently wide spread infiltrations of political activist groups at all.

Disturbing? Yes. Surprising? Hell no. Democracies need consistent tinkering to keep the democratic illusion going. You can't have any of those nasty truth-telling activists crashing the party.

Besides, those infiltrating agents were hard pressed to choose otherwise; activist chicks are a passionate bunch.

[Claudius Gothicus]

Wait... I know infiltrating political movements it's classic police work, but didn't they told the infiltrators to at least wear protection in case of this?????

[Derbiean]

Fathering children with the people you are investigating is unethical to say the least not to mention incredibly stupid.

[Gpower]

While I can sympathise with the women and children involved with these incidents, I think it is wrong to put all the blame on the infiltrating officers.

Long term infiltration will probably require the officers to live with a false identity for many years, with no contact with family and friends. They likely to be trusted by the target and others involved, and living a kind of "second life" that will be difficult to be not emotionally attached and involved over time. One can only imagine the stress these officers had went through.

[Rolling Thunder]

Mission Accomplished.

[Denny Crane!]

Breed 'em out. An age old tried and tested technique going all the way back to Longshanks.

[Rolling Thunder]

Breed 'em out. An age old tried and tested technique going all the way back to Longshanks.

I thought Longshank's technique was to say to the Duke of Northumberland "Suppress those nasty little Scottish fellows", and then the Duke rounded up a bunch of Northerners, marched over the Firth of Forth and we gave them a good kicking?

[legate]

I thought Longshank's technique was to say to the Duke of Northumberland "Suppress those nasty little Scottish fellows", and then the Duke rounded up a bunch of Northerners, marched over the Firth of Forth and we gave them a good kicking?

No such thing as Duke of Northumberland at the time, Earl of Surrey

Breed 'em out. An age old tried and tested technique going all the way back to Longshanks.

Worrying that people take Braveheart as fact, unless you were taking the piss...