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    The Rwandan Genocide was the slaughter of an estimated 800,000 [1] to 1,000,000 Tutsis and moderate Hutus, mostly carried out by two extremist Hutu militia groups, the Interahamwe and the Impuzamugambi, during a period of 100 days from April 6th through mid-July 1994.

    For many, the Rwandan Genocide stands out as historically significant, not only because of the sheer number of people that were murdered in such a short period of time, but also because of the way that many Western countries responded to the atrocities. Despite intelligence provided before the killing began, and international news media coverage reflecting the true scale of violence as the genocide unfolded, virtually all first-world countries declined to intervene.

    The United Nations did not authorize UNAMIR, a relief mission intended to aid in the implementation of the Arusha Accords, to act in bringing the killing to a halt. Despite numerous pre- and present-conflict warnings by Canadian Lieutenant-General Roméo Dallaire, the UN peacekeepers on the ground were forbidden from engaging the militias or discharging their weapons, except in self-defense. In the weeks prior to the attacks, the UN did not respond to reports of Hutu militias amassing weapons and rejected plans for a pre-emptive interdiction. This failure to act became the focus of bitter recriminations toward the United Nations, Western countries such as France and the United States, and individual policymakers, including Jacques-Roger Booh-Booh and President Clinton, who described US inaction as "the biggest regret of my administration." [2]

    The genocide was brought to an end only when the Tutsi-dominated expatriate rebel movement known as the Rwandese Patriotic Front, led by Paul Kagame, overthrew the Hutu government and seized power. Fearing reprisals, hundreds of thousands of Hutu genocidaires and other refugees fled into eastern Zaire (now the Democratic Republic of the Congo). The violence and its memory have continued to affect the country and the region. Both the First and Second Congo Wars trace their origins to the genocide, and it continues to be a reference point for the Burundian Civil War.
    I was thinking of putting this in the VV, or the Ethos, but decided on putting it here. I recently watched the movie "Hotel Rwanda", and it stirred a lot of thought in me. The UN did nothing to help the Rwandan Tutsis. Nothing. They did it then, and they did it in Darfur. The question is, will they learn from their mistakes? I think not. Discuss.

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    Get the real audio plug in and go here http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/vine/

    Listen to Jeremy Vines show again Paul Rusesabagina the character Hotel Rwanda is about was on today I am listening again to it now because I could only partially hear it there.

    Damn you I was going to do this thread.

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    Where is the feed? It says his name, but I can't do anything with it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shyam Popat
    Where is the feed? It says his name, but I can't do anything with it...
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/vine/

    Purple bar under his name says listen again pick thursday (click on it)

    Talks about pensions for a long time which is not that interesting Radio four today was the one for that, so skip forward past the first half hour.

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    Well, their inaction was due moderately to heavily on the failure of the Somalia missions, and I suppose the government wanted nothing to do with another African storm in. Makes some sense, though when you read those death figures it's hard not to be indignant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shenmueguru
    Well, their inaction was due moderately to heavily on the failure of the Somalia missions, and I suppose the government wanted nothing to do with another African storm in. Makes some sense, though when you read those death figures it's hard not to be indignant.
    Yes, part of this was backlash from Somalia. There was not much interest in the U.S. of getting involved in a potentially open ended peace keeping action in Africa as a result.

    It is interesting that a pre-emptive stance is mentioned, yet most UN member nations oppose pre-emptive approaches. The normal UN mode of operation is reactive. Seems that the US will get blamed which ever course it takes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shyam Popat
    Heres a little background...

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    I was thinking of putting this in the VV, or the Ethos, but decided on putting it here. I recently watched the movie "Hotel Rwanda", and it stirred a lot of thought in me. The UN did nothing to help the Rwandan Tutsis. Nothing. They did it then, and they did it in Darfur. The question is, will they learn from their mistakes? I think not. Discuss.
    It is in part do to what happened in Somalia and the Vietnam syndrome, where US officials are scared about getting stuck in an endless conflict with no end in sight. Also, did you ever see the HBO original movie called Sometimes in April? Its better then Hotel Rwanda if that’s possible.
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    Due to the death of 10 Belgians, 2000 UN peacekeepers were evacuated. An endless conflict? The UN had enough soldiers, more than 100 times the amount that were allocated in Rwanda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shyam Popat
    Due to the death of 10 Belgians, 2000 UN peacekeepers were evacuated. An endless conflict? The UN had enough soldiers, more than 100 times the amount that were allocated in Rwanda.
    They feared another Somalian scenario....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Major.Stupidity
    They feared another Somalian scenario....
    So they allowed 800 000 people to be hacked to death.

    It doesn't matter what they thought nothing justifies this. It was heading towards the scale of the jewish holocaust, nothing excuses the international community.



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    Quote Originally Posted by El Guapo
    So they allowed 800 000 people to be hacked to death.

    It doesn't matter what they thought nothing justifies this. It was heading towards the scale of the jewish holocaust, nothing excuses the international community.



    Peter
    I'm not trying to be an apologist for the UN. I'm just stating reasons as to why they didn't intervene in the civil war/genocide. You can also add Realpolitik as a reason to various countries not intervening. Again, I am not an apologist for the UN.
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    How about a lack of interest?
    We can't intervene in every genocide.





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    Quote Originally Posted by RusskiSoldat
    How about a lack of interest?
    We can't intervene in every genocide.
    A lack of interest you think that makes it acceptable? 800000 people die that makes it not just another genocide but one of the worst of the last couple of centuries.

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    To be continued: in Sudan. The sequel is here!! The government once more will not act!
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    Thats because non of the governments (in North America or Europe) cares....at all. We are more concerned about a guy with a mustache that didn't have any WMDs. So Saddam killed what, a couple thousand Kurds? Millions in Africa are killed in genocides.......I hardly call what Saddam did a genocide. Why do the lives of the Kurds outway the lives of Africans?
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    oil

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Guapo
    oil

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    Who said anything about oil?
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    The thing is, the speed of the genocide was a beyond comprehension. 100 days-800,000 dead. Thats a faster kill rate than the Holocaust.
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    One of the lines from Hotel Rwanda that has always stayed with me:

    One of the journalists is talking to the main character after the UN decides to evacuate all the westerners in the counrtry, he explains why the west doesn't seem to care:
    "You're not even a [N-word], you're an African."

    Though it's uncomfortable to accept that the mindset of western populations and governments reflects such an attiture, I think that it is exactly accurate.
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    A lack of interest you think that makes it acceptable? 800000 people die that makes it not just another genocide but one of the worst of the last couple of centuries.

    Peter
    plenty of worse ones





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