How can I get El Cid?

[wesnoth.hero]

Hi all!

Well, there is a rebel general in Valencia /El Cid/ and I would like to get him, but I cannot bribe him. I gave traits to my diplomat, maybe a bigger influence would help, but still no joy... Any ideas how to get him? Maybe I could decrease his loyality somehow... and once he is mine, give his loyality traits back.

Thanks in advance!

[Macunaíma]

You could try to marry a princess to him.

[Posantio of Umbria]

Alas, Princesses can't marry rebels. You'd have to bribe him if you want him, which is quite difficult apparently... In the original MTW he could be bribed quite well I remember.

[Avatar]

Bribing is the only way, which makes it a tricky proposition when you bear in mind he starts with a pretty solid garrison that would be quite expensive to bribe. On top of that he has high loyalty and chivalry. I forget the exact traits but I wouldn't be surprised if he has something that increases the bribe cost.

[ccgr1121]

Isn't he the faction leader of the rebels? If so you shouldn't even be able to bribe him (although the mechanics may work differently for the rebels).

[wesnoth.hero]

well, thanks... i really want to get him, so i cheated some money, so cost is not a problem... so i got no idea...

[Nazgûl Killer]

Rebels have no faction leader. They're not really a faction.

I've managed to get El-Cid into my armies once, and the only way to do this is through a bribe. It cost me a nifty amount of money, around the tens of thousands, but it was too damn worth it. It's El-Cid!

Well, if you're going with cheats, might as well cheat ancillaries and traits for your diplomat so he'll be a better briber.

[lolIsuck]

Rebels have no faction leader. They're not really a faction.

I've managed to get El-Cid into my armies once, and the only way to do this is through a bribe. It cost me a nifty amount of money, around the tens of thousands, but it was too damn worth it. It's El-Cid!

Well, if you're going with cheats, might as well cheat ancillaries and traits for your diplomat so he'll be a better briber.

Rebels do have a faction leader, at least I have seen some a few times

edit: I always hated El Cid because he had a of units and I had to reinforce my French invasion force first before I could attack

[wesnoth.hero]

done it...i could attack him, kill his army, leave him alive, then he might get easier to bribe... i shall give it a try... what have you done before bribing?

[Nazgûl Killer]

Nothing. I was just lucky I guess. I waited a few turns to get quite a bit of money... And that's it.

[wesnoth.hero]

which version have you got?

[Nazgûl Killer]

1.05. As with Kingdoms.

[wesnoth.hero]

i see, i have 1.0 and no kingdoms! i will patch it and buy kingdoms. thanks!

[Nazgûl Killer]

Happy to help.

[Ishan]

Through modding it's possible:

Yes then u will be able to marry ur princess to El Cid Campeador the Coolest rebel in town.
It will be something like this:-

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And the end result if lucky be would be:-

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Good Luck !

Well u might know that ur princesses can marry generals belonging to the Catholic or orthodox factions only but they can't marry rebel or Islamic generals.

And the answer lies in the descr_sm_factions.txt file coz they can't have princesses. Now if it's set to yes then they can engage the marriage event but now they will produce princesses as well when they come of age but rebels can't since they don't have a family tree.

Anyways the sample code is:-

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faction					slave
culture					southern_european
religion					heretic
special_faction_type				slave_faction
symbol					models_strat/symbol_rebels.CAS
rebel_symbol				models_strat/symbol_rebels.CAS
primary_colour				red 110, green 110, blue 110
secondary_colour				red 239, green 239, blue 239
loading_logo				loading_screen/symbols/symbol128_slaves.tga
standard_index				24
logo_index					FACTION_LOGO_REBELS
small_logo_index				SMALL_FACTION_LOGO_REBELS
triumph_value				5
custom_battle_availability			no
can_sap					yes
prefers_naval_invasions			no
can_have_princess				noyes
has_family_tree				no

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faction					moors
culture					middle_eastern
religion					islam
symbol					models_strat/symbol_moors.CAS
rebel_symbol				models_strat/symbol_rebels.CAS
primary_colour				red 254, green 120, blue 0
secondary_colour				red 239, green 239, blue 239
loading_logo				loading_screen/symbols/symbol128_moors.tga
standard_index				16
logo_index					FACTION_LOGO_MOORS
small_logo_index				SMALL_FACTION_LOGO_MOORS
triumph_value				5
custom_battle_availability			yes
can_sap					yes
prefers_naval_invasions			yes
can_have_princess				noyes
has_family_tree				yes

[King William the Conqueror]

hmm. thanks ishan. Very interesting.

[Lethe1]

this just made my day! Thanks a lot! +rep

[King William the Conqueror]

but do I understand this correctly that the rebels still won't have princesses? Because they have no family tree?

[Ishan]

Rebels do have a faction leader, at least I have seen some a few times

Papal_states & Slave factions are special factions. They (rebels) don't have leaders, unless you were playing a mod and that rebel general was spawned through CS.

but do I understand this correctly that the rebels still won't have princesses? Because they have no family tree?

Yes your assumption is correct.

[lolIsuck]

Papal_states & Slave factions are special factions. They (rebels) don't have leaders, unless you were playing a mod and that rebel general was spawned through CS.

TATW, the rebel faction leader is in I guess Eryn Dolen, I've encountered him a few times as Silvan Elves.
He could be spawned though, I think the settlement is empty the first turn