Suggestions for Unit Stats Tweaks?

[Intranetusa]

Hi there, I've found some units to be frustrating, so I decided to tweak them. I need suggestions for unit stats - suggestions for mostly game balance, but I don't want to stray too far from historical accuracy.
Thanks!

Changes so far:

All Phalangites with sarissa 'phalanx' attribute
+1 defense skill
-2 shield to 3
***So far so good, they are more vulnerable to missiles. Should I reduce this to 3? I think a value of 2 was the original RTW vanilla phalangite shield value

All Chariots +1 HP to 3HP (horses), riders stay at 2 & 1 hp for Celtic bodyguard and Scythe chariots respectively
Celtic Chariot -1 def skill, -1 armor
Scythe chariot -4 armor, +2 morale
***so far it seems ok

Rationale :

Reveal

Rationale for chariots - with 2 HP for the horses, they still kinda sucked for their main purpose - running into infantry and disorganizing their lines. Usually, more than half the chariots would die before they could successfully disorganize an infantry unit. Now with 3 HP, they're much more survivable. I did a test with a chariot + infantry army attacking a fort. I defended the fort's main-gate with heavy infantry, and the chariot was actually able to push my infantry back and allow their own infantry to stream into the fort (I lost the battle). Without chariots, those infantry would've been slaughtered as they got cornered and squished together at the gate by my heavy infantry. Also, with 2HP chariots, they normally would've died and routed before accomplishing their objectives.

All Nake Fanatics/Gaesatae -1 HP to 1HP
+3 defense to 18
+1 attack to 14
+1 armor to 6
***This Gaesatate tweak change has worked great, and has balanced them out.

Rationale :

Reveal

I mainly wanted them to be more vulnerable to archers and javelins, as well as vulnerable to flanking/encircling due to the defense skill value not applying to a unit's rear. They still pwn in up close melee, but are much more vulnerable to missiles. Did some tests and in one-on-one battles, they beat imperial cohorts and first cohorts nearly every time. And this is after the 2 volleys of Roman armor piercing pilums killing about 10 Gaestates on average. Against elite units such as the Praetorians, the Gaesataes have a 50-50 chance of victory, not bad considering it's 60 vs 80

Classical Hoplites with only 1 weapon
+Short Pike attribute, thanks to TW Fanatic's idea
+1 shield to 5
-.1 spear lethality to .12
-2 armor
added .25 unit cohesion value at the end of "soldier" trait
.8 is now the formation distance for all hoplites formerly with .76
***Based off of TW Fanatic's minimod that made classical hoplites awesome - short pike attribute and a shield value of 6.

Rationale :

Reveal

Classical hoplites can keep a cohesive, awesome looking formation instead of breaking into individual units like regular spearmen would. I'm experimenting with shield values of 5 to make it slightly weaker and make it proportional to other shield values after lowering phalangite values. Still virtually unstoppable from the front. When fighting in a city street, three to four units of elite classical hoplites can defeat almost a full 20 unit stack of average swordsmen/spearmen units. Also, see this thread: http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showth...hariot-minimod

Non short-pike classical hoplites (2 weapons)
added .25 or .3 unit cohesion value at the end of "soldier" trait and tightened the formations
of units such as the Celtic Arjos, Agema, etc to around .8

All Elephants +1 HP
3 HP elephants to 4HP
4 HP elephants to 5HP
-5 armor for African forest elephant 23 to 18
-5 armor for towered African forest elephant 23 to 18
-5 armor for African bush elephant 25 to 20
-5 armor for African forest elephant 23 to 18
-5 armor for armored Indian elephant from 30 to 25
-5 armor for Indian elephant from 23 to 18

In single player, I reduced the cost and upkeep of elephants. Also added another HP to 5HP for small African forest elephants
and 6HP for towered forest elephants, African Bush elephants, and Indian Elephants w, w/o armor.

Rationale :

Reveal

Did this after increasing the chariots to 3. I think these increased elephant HP are ok, since RTW vanilla has them at 12 and 15 HP respectively. I mainly added the extra HP for survivability and to justify their enormous cost. Now half your "smaller" elephant types won't die and rout from only 1-2 volleys of javelins. It's only a 25-33% HP increase, so they're tougher, but still very kill-able. Also, it justifies the chariot HP increase which is now at 3. It would be weird, at least for me, if a smaller elephant and a chariot both had 3 HP. I wanted the smaller & larger elephant to be tougher so I added +1 HP for both...

Sacred Band Phalanx
Removed their 2ndary weapon, which was entirely useless due to its lower attack value and same lethality as the spear
After removing their 2ndary weapon, I was able to add the short pike attribute. Now they fight as an awesome cohesive classical phalanx unit!
I've decided to also increase the shield value to 5 to match the other classical hoplites.

Rationale :

Reveal

This unit's 2ndary weapon was useless, and Carthage already has a ton of elite units with 2 weapons. Carthage has units like the heavy iberian infantry, Iberian assault infantry, hand-picked heavy libyan-phonecian infantry, heavy libyan infantry, elite african infantry, etc - I wanted an elite classical hoplite unit instead of just another regular two-weaponed unit

Thrakioi Peltastai & Thrakioi Peltastai mercs
Reduced lethality from .26 to .165, increased attack from 7 to 8. Now it matches most other units with a one handed AP-weapon with .165 lethality.

Cordinau Orca (Scordisci Elite Infantry)
Increased long sword lethality from .12 to .225. Decreased attack from 15 to 14.

Persian Hoplites (eastern infantry kardaka)
Similar to the Sacred Band, I got rid of the 2ndary sword weapon which wasn't any more useful than its spear. Then +1 shield, -2 armor, -.02 lethality to .12, and added the short pike attribute.

Shipri Tukul (Babylonian Heavy Spearmen)
This awesome mercenary unit is underpowered.
Added +1 to armor, and +1 to morale.

For some reason, in the multiplayer edu, the Greeks don't have access to the Hellenic Heavy Skirmisher (Peltasti), I added Greek Cities as an owner in the edu. Also tightened Syracusian hoplite formation to match the formations of regular Greek hoplites.

Roman Praetorian Cohorts
Increased the custom-battle cost in both single and multi edus to 3533. (originally it was around 2000ish for custom)

Roman Manipular Infantry - increased costs to values before EB v1.2
I'm changing them back closer to their original values because they seem way outta balance in comparison to other units. Even if it is to portray Rome's vast manpower ability to spam infantry, I think that can
be represented via campaign script or giving money to the AI.

New Values:
Early Hastati = 1258 cost, 314 upkeep
Polybian Hastati = 1333 cost, 333 upkeep

Early Principes = 1454 cost, 364 upkeep
Polybian Principes = 1647 cost, 412 upkeep

Early Triari = 2304 cost, 576 upkeep
Polybian Triari = 2171 cost, 543 upkeep



Want to change:

Cavalry in melee.
Another idea - cavalry fares poorly in melee mostly because of their size right? Because the horse + rider unit is so big, 1 cavalry unit has to fight like 3-4 infantry units at once when engaged in melee. Do you thinking doubling their HP, and lowering their defense & armor would make them more effective at melee while keeping them not overpowered like in RTW vanilla?

Actually, what would happen if I gave cavalry unit's a mount value of 1 along with the unit HP of 1, instead of the unit HP being 2? Would that just mean they die twice as fast...or twice as slow?

Has anyone tried elephants with lesser numbers and lesser cost? Is it even possible to have just a single elephant in a unit? It'd be interesting to have dirt cheap elephants...

Has anyone solved the problem of giving the short_pike attribute to phalanx units with 2 weapons? When I did this, the unit would glitch or would never use the 2nd weapon.

Btw, I'm having trouble with the Sacred Band Phalanx using the short pike attribute. It uses its spear as an underhand weapon, which causes some ascetics issues for some of the lines in close quarters combat. What is a way to fix this besides re-skinning ?

[Entropy Judge]

***So far so good, they are more vulnerable to missiles. Should I reduce this to 3? I think a value of 2 was the original RTW vanilla phalangite shield value

Lower-quality Pike units had 2 Shield, yes; higher-quality Pikes (Royal Shields, for example) had the Hoplite-Standard 5.

Rationale for chariots - with 2 HP for the horses, they still kinda sucked for their main purpose - running into infantry and disorganizing their lines. Usually, more than half the chariots would die before they could successfully disorganize an infantry unit.

Can you find any actual sources that show chariots successfully charging infantry lines and disrupting them without dying horribly? Chariots were useful as skirmishing units, as transportation, and as missile platforms. Rarely - if ever - did they actually make effective anti-infantry melee vehicles.

I mainly wanted them to be more vulnerable to archers and javelins, as well as vulnerable to flanking/encircling due to the defense skill value not applying to a unit's rear. They still pwn in up close melee, but are much more vulnerable to missiles.

They're already plenty vulnerable to missiles, so long as you don't aim from the front and let them stick that big honking Shield in the way.

Cavalry in melee.
Another idea - cavalry fares poorly in melee mostly because of their size right? Because the horse + rider unit is so big, 1 cavalry unit has to fight like 3-4 infantry units at once when engaged in melee. Do you thinking doubling their HP, and lowering their defense & armor would make them more effective at melee while keeping them not overpowered like in RTW vanilla?

Cavalry have never fared particularly well in stationary melee engagements with infantry. If they stopped moving, they got bogged down and swarmed under.

[Intranetusa]

Lower-quality Pike units had 2 Shield, yes; higher-quality Pikes (Royal Shields, for example) had the Hoplite-Standard 5.

Can you find any actual sources that show chariots successfully charging infantry lines and disrupting them without dying horribly? Chariots were useful as skirmishing units, as transportation, and as missile platforms. Rarely - if ever - did they actually make effective anti-infantry melee vehicles.

It was weird that in RTW vanilla, elite Silver Shield Pikemen only had 2 shield but elite Royal Pikemen had 5 shield.

Well chariots are for disrupting infantry lines. I just want them to live long enough to either disrupt the infantry formations or actually instill fear into the enemy before disintegrating into wooden parts. As it stands now, the chariot is a huge unit so it can be attacked by like 10+ enemies at the same time. This causes it to die absurdly fast...

They're already plenty vulnerable to missiles, so long as you don't aim from the front and let them stick that big honking Shield in the way.
Cavalry have never fared particularly well in stationary melee engagements with infantry. If they stopped moving, they got bogged down and swarmed under.

With 2 hp, Gaestaes were invulnerable to javelins, and even laughed off Roman AP pilum. Unlike RTW vanilla, no other infantry unit has 2 hp either. Reducing the HP and buffing the def/armor/attack makes it still very powerful in melee but much more vulnerable to missiles. This makes it much less annoying when the AI decides to horde a bunch of Gaestate units to defend a narrow pass or a gateway. Now an AP-pila volley from a 200 man cohort kills about 8-10 Gaestates on huge-unit settings.

It's annoying when cavalry gets killed by levies when they get bogged down. Anyways, I don't think I'll touch this one since there doesn't seem to be a good solution for it.

[Spike]

how could you dare to reduce Gaesatae and Tindanotae HP

they are given 2 HP to portay they are historically mentioned to rip embedded javelins from their torso and hurl it back towards enemies.

*javelins and arrows in the back still works very good even with 2 HP

[Intranetusa]

they are given 2 HP to portay they are historically mentioned to rip embedded javelins from their torso and hurl it back towards enemies.

Unfortunately, the RTW engine cannot accurately portray a Gaesatae ripping out a javelin from his torso, then bleeding to death 30 seconds later...

*javelins and arrows in the back still works very good even with 2 HP

Now with 1 HP, javelins and arrows to the front also work, if given enough ammo. And the Gaesataes still slaughter enemies in melee.

Actually, I was wondering if I should reduce their defense or armor levels, but significantly beef up their attack level. Maybe this will represent the crazy wild men who don't care about death, focusing only on killing the enemy...

[Spike]

Unfortunately, the RTW engine cannot accurately portray a Gaesatae ripping out a javelin from his torso, then bleeding to death 30 seconds later...



Now with 1 HP, javelins and arrows to the front also work, if given enough ammo. And the Gaesataes still slaughter enemies in melee.

Actually, I was wondering if I should reduce their defense or armor levels, but significantly beef up their attack level. Maybe this will represent the crazy wild men who don't care about death, focusing only on killing the enemy...

if I were you, I'll just cut their numbers from 120 to 80, and make them need 2 turn for training, retaining the current stats, they are actually few in numbers and not that much available

seriously, giving them 1 HP is over-weakening them and make them no different than uirodusios role-wise , at least with 2 HP they can really fought as frontline infantry

[Casual Tactician]

Classical Hoplites with only 1 weapon
+Short Pike attribute, thanks to TW Fanatic's idea
+1 shield to 5
-.1 spear lethality to .12
-2 armor
***Based off of TW Fanatic's minimod that made classical hoplites awesome - short pike attribute and a shield value of 6.

Rationale:

Reveal

Classical hoplites can keep a cohesive, awesome looking formation instead of breaking into individual units like regular spearmen would. I'm experimenting with shield values of 5 to make it slightly weaker and make it proportional to other shield values after lowering phalangite values. Still virtually unstoppable from the front. When fighting in a city street, three to four units of elite classical hoplites can defeat almost a full 20 unit stack of average swordsmen/spearmen units. Also, see this thread: http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showth...hariot-minimod

I did something similar recently. I'm not sure which units you have changed. Here's a list of units I'd consider as fighting in the classical hoplite style:

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;150 - Ekdromoi Hoplitai (Greek Light Hoplites)
;173 - Hoplitai Haploi (Greek Levy Hoplites)
;326 - Spartiatai Hoplitai (Spartan Hoplites)
;461 - Epilektoi Hoplitai (Hellenic Distinguished Hoplites)
;333 - Hoplitai (Greek Classical Hoplites)
;334 - Misthophoroi Hoplitai (Mercenary Greek Classical Hoplites)
;357 - Hoplitai Hellenikon (Saka Heavy Hoplites)
;519 - Hoplitai Troglodutikes (Red Sea Hoplites)
;251 - Triarii (Camillan Roman Hoplite Maniple)*
;250 - Triarii (Polybian Heavy-Spear Maniple)*
;435 - Somatophylakes Strategou (Greek General)
;93 - Dorkim Liby-Ponnim Kbedim (Liby-Phoenician Heavy Infantry)
;92 - Dorkim Libi-Ponnim (Liby-Phoenician Infantry)
I wouldn't consider the ;508 - Syrakosioi Hoplitai (Syracusan Hoplites) as unit fighting in the classical hoplite style. Their description says they had a less dense/classical style.

These units have a second weaopn with special abilites, so it's not possible or desirable to give them short_pike (I assume you're aware of that as you stated yourself; it's only an additional info)
;425 - Massaliotai Hoplitai (Massilian Medium Hoplites)
;426 - Misthophoroi Massaliotai Hoplitai (Massilian Medium Hoplites)
;502 - Indohellenikoi Eugeneis Hoplitai (Indo-Greek Noble Hoplites)
;157 - Hypaspistai (Hellenistic Royal Guard)
;144 - Baktrion Agema (Baktrian Royal Guard)
;351 - Agema Hellenikon (Indo-Greek Royal Guard)
;536 - Dorkim Leebi-Feenikim Aloophim (Elite Liby-Phoenician Infantry)

Sacred Band Phalanx
Removed their 2ndary weapon, which was entirely useless due to its lower attack value and same lethality as the spear
After removing their 2ndary weapon, I was able to add the short pike attribute. Now they fight as an awesome cohesive classical phalanx unit!
I've decided to also increase the shield value to 5 to match the other classical hoplites.

Rationale:

Reveal

This unit's 2ndary weapon was useless, and Carthage already has a ton of elite units with 2 weapons. Carthage has units like the heavy iberian infantry, Iberian assault infantry, hand-picked heavy libyan-phonecian infantry, heavy libyan infantry, elite african infantry, etc - I wanted an elite classical hoplite unit instead of just another regular two-weaponed unit

Did you also do this for the ;450 - Kardakâ Arteshtâr (Persian Hoplites)? They also seem to have fought in a hoplite style and as the ;97 - HaDorkim HaQdosim (Sacred Band Infantry) they too have a normal sword as secondary weapon.

Want to change:

Cavalry in melee.

All in all they seem fine as they are imho. Better than any other mod I've played. You simply have to take care of them in battles, so they don't get nailed down by spear units (or also ap-units in the case of heavy cavalry).

Has anyone tried elephants with lesser numbers and lesser cost?

I reduced their upkeep (not costs though) in my personal EDU; simply because I wan't to use them more when I play Carthage, Epeiros, AS... It's a matter of taste I guess. I'm not sure how it affects the AI recruiting them - I don't really care anyhow. If the AI also fields more elephants that's a nice bonus imo.


Here are some changes I consider reasonable/plausible:

;330 - Thraikioi Peltastai (Thraikian Peltasts)
;331 - Misthophoroi Thraikioi Peltastai (Mercenary Thraikian Peltasts)
Change: lethality from 0.26 to 0.165
Reason: they're otherwise over-powerd; and they only use a small 1-handed rhomphaia, which had the same 0.26-lethality as the larger 2-handed rhomphaias; now they have the same lethality, and also the ap ability of course, as axes and (heavy) maces

;442 - Cordinau Orca (Scordisci Elite Infantry)
Change: lethality from 0.12 to 0.225
Reason: the unit description and the unit's costs suggest that they use a vicious sword that has a similar impact on the enemy as the 'barbarian' longsword, which has 0.225 lethality; I have the suspicion the 0.12 lethality was a slip of the pen by the team

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Unit costs: recruitment 3151, upkeep 788. Quote from the unit description of the Cordinau Orca (Scordisci Elite Infantry):

The Scordisci are Celtic warriors who live near Macedonia. They are famous for their use of sheering curved swords that can open wide gashes on an opponent, particularly when used by the fearsome Carduci tribe, who are most famous for them. Like the Solduros of the Gauls, in the east, the Carduci have the Cordinau Orca (Kor-dee-now Urk-ah; "Battle Boars"), the guardians of their chief, and fearsome, strong warriors. They are impetuous soldiers, and prone to charging without being ordered, but they are comparatively bold to many other Celtic warriors, and their bravery in combat allows them to overcome seemingly superior forces in some cases, and immense skill with their shields and swords makes them notable.

;340 - Prodromoi (Successor Medium Cavalry)
;86 - Parasim Ezra'him Ponnim (Carthaginian Citizen Cavalry)
Change: Cost and Upkeep increased to ~110-120%
Reason: Compared to other similar cavarly they are very cheap / far more cost-efficient.

And here are some threads that might interest you:
http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showth...rds%29-in-1-2&
http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showth...U-v2.0-RELEASE!
http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showth...U-v2.1-RELEASE


PS: Nice thread you started here. Fine for gathering ideas for my personal EDU. +rep

[Intranetusa]

Yep, that's very similar to what I did.

Did you also do this for the ;450 - Kardakâ Arteshtâr (Persian Hoplites)? They also seem to have fought in a hoplite style and as the ;97 - HaDorkim HaQdosim (Sacred Band Infantry) they too have a normal sword as secondary weapon.

For Persian Hoplties, in the description is says they carry "long swords" - since its current sword has the same lethality has the spear, I'm not sure whether I should change buff the sword lethality to match other "long swords" or remove the sword and turn the unit into a short_pike hoplite unit.

I reduced their upkeep (not costs though) in my personal EDU; simply because I wan't to use them more when I play Carthage, Epeiros, AS... It's a matter of taste I guess. I'm not sure how it affects the AI recruiting them - I don't really care anyhow. If the AI also fields more elephants that's a nice bonus imo.

Hmm, interesting. That's partly my intent - to get the AI to use more elephants in my campaign game.

Here are some changes I consider reasonable/plausible:
;330 - Thraikioi Peltastai (Thraikian Peltasts)
;331 - Misthophoroi Thraikioi Peltastai (Mercenary Thraikian Peltasts)
Change: lethality from 0.26 to 0.165
Reason: they're otherwise over-powerd; and they only use a small 1-handed rhomphaia, which had the same 0.26-lethality as the larger 2-handed rhomphaias; now they have the same lethality, and also the ap ability of course, as axes and (heavy) maces

Wow, I had no idea their lethality was so high. Yeh I think it should be nerfed. Their sword even has the AP trait, so that makes it even more OP. So I'm thinking reduce the lethality but buff the attack by 1 or 2? Or just reduce lethality and leave the attack as it is?

;442 - Cordinau Orca (Scordisci Elite Infantry)
Change: lethality from 0.12 to 0.225
Reason: the unit description and the unit's costs suggest that they use a vicious sword that has a similar impact on the enemy as the 'barbarian' longsword, which has 0.225 lethality; I have the suspicion the 0.12 lethality was a slip of the pen by the team. Unit costs: recruitment 3151, upkeep 788. Quote from the unit description of the Cordinau Orca (Scordisci Elite Infantry)

Good idea, I will do that as well. It has a high attack value of 15. So I'm thinking buff the lethality to .225, but lower the attack value to maybe 14?

;340 - Prodromoi (Successor Medium Cavalry)
;86 - Parasim Ezra'him Ponnim (Carthaginian Citizen Cavalry)
Change: Cost and Upkeep increased to ~110-120%
Reason: Compared to other similar cavarly they are very cheap / far more cost-efficient.

So far I haven't used them in my campaigns or encountered them yet, but I'll take a look and compare them.

PS: Nice thread you started here. Fine for gathering ideas for my personal EDU. +rep

Thanks bro. You got some great ideas as well.

[Casual Tactician]

For Persian Hoplties, in the description is says they carry "long swords" - since its current sword has the same lethality has the spear, I'm not sure whether I should change buff the sword lethality to match other "long swords" or remove the sword and turn the unit into a short_pike hoplite unit.

I don't know what kind of sword an "Iranian" longsword is. Only a standard 'long-ish' sword or a real heavy longsword? I guess unless you find an expert, you can do either. A matter of taste I would say. Atm I made them pure dense-formation hoplites. Though I adjust my personal EDU every now and then, so it suits my personal preferences - mostly only fine-tuning here and there.

Hmm, interesting. That's partly my intent - to get the AI to use more elephants in my campaign game.

Then the best is to reduce their recruitment time to 1 turn, and reduce both cost and upkeep. That's only my educated guess though.

Wow, I had no idea their lethality was so high. Yeh I think it should be nerfed. Their sword even has the AP trait, so that makes it even more OP. So I'm thinking reduce the lethality but buff the attack by 1 or 2? Or just reduce lethality and leave the attack as it is?

Their base-attack is a every low 7 already due to their high lethality and ap-ability. Only less lethality (to the level of axemen = 0.165) seems enough imo.

Good idea, I will do that as well. It has a high attack value of 15. So I'm thinking buff the lethality to .225, but lower the attack value to maybe 14?

Good idea, might do that myself.

So far I haven't used them in my campaigns or encountered them yet, but I'll take a look and compare them.

These changes are really minute fine-tuning. If you don't exploit using these units to any large extent yourself, there's actually no need to make these changes.

You should greatly reduce the price of Ships, means the AI will actaully use them if theyre affordable.

Good idea. I might lower their price and upkeep for my current campaign, and have a look if that increases the ratio of naval invasions.

[Ferdiad]

You should greatly reduce the price of Ships, means the AI will actaully use them if theyre affordable.

[Intranetusa]

You should greatly reduce the price of Ships, means the AI will actaully use them if theyre affordable.

Good idea. Any suggestions on costs? Bleh...I have to go through every ship and changing their 6 cost/recruitment values...

Does anyone who have already made this adjustment care to copy and paste their edu text?

[Casual Tactician]

Info on stat_cost from Aradan's EDU Guide:

stat_cost        turns,recruit,upkeep,wpn_upg,arm_upg,cb_cost

Details of a units recruitment stats.

• [turns] : Amount of turns needed to train the unit. Max value is 244, anything higher will be ingored.
• [recruit] : Cost to train the unit. Also affects the retraining cost.
• [upkeep] : Price paid every turn for the upkeep of the unit.
• [weapon_upgrade] : Cost to upgrade the unit's weapons (both campaign and custom battles). Affects the retraining cost.
• [armour_upgrade] : Cost to upgrade the unit's armour (both campaign and custom battles). Affects the retraining cost.
• [custom_battle_cost] : Cost to include the unit in your army in custom battles.

.
These are recent changes that I haven't tested yet / played very long with. So consider them 'pre-Alpha':

I only reduced recruit, upkeep and custom_battle_cost (now that I realize that was unnessary) to 75% (x 0.75) and didn't change the two upgrade-costs, as the AI will hardly very often retraint it's ships and for the player these costs are not too high imho (and it's less work).

For the turns I did the following to make AI-ships more common and atst not create an AI-ship-spam:
- turns: 1 & 2, unchanged
- turns: 3 --> 2 turns
- turns: 4 --> 3 turns
- turns: 5 & 6 --> 4 & 5 turns (these are exclusively strong pirate/slave/rebel fleets)

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;############### (01) EB Boats ###############
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;12               Nagwonez (Transport Boats)
type             generic ship baitaz
dictionary       generic_ship_baitaz      ; Baitaz Flotilla
category         ship
class            light
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             light warship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         1, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  2, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      20, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        2, 1500, 600, 200, 200, 1500        ; ORG: 2, 2000, 800, 200, 200, 2000
ownership        germans, slave

;104               Covered Liburnes Fleet
type             generic ship covered liburnes
dictionary       generic_ship_covered_liburnes      ; Covered Liburnes Fleet
category         ship
class            heavy
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             heavy warship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         23, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  11, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      25, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        2, 4500, 1725, 320, 520, 4500        ; ORG: 3, 6000, 2300, 320, 520, 6000
ownership        seleucid, slave

;105               Currmar
type             generic ship currmar
dictionary       generic_ship_currmar      ; Currmar Fleet
category         ship
class            heavy
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             heavy warship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         8, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  9, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      25, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        2, 4500, 1125, 200, 600, 4500        ; ORG: 3, 6000, 1500, 200, 600, 6000
ownership        spain, slave

;106               Currtaho
type             generic ship currtaho
dictionary       generic_ship_currtaho      ; Currtaho Flotilla
category         ship
class            light
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             light warship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         2, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  0, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      25, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        2, 1650, 600, 200, 500, 1650        ; ORG: 2, 2200, 800, 200, 500, 2200
ownership        spain, slave

;141               Megas Stolos Leiston (Great Pirate Expedition)
type             generic ship great pirate
dictionary       generic_ship_great_pirate      ; Great Pirate Fleet
category         ship
class            heavy
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 42, 0, 1
ship             flagship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         4, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  3, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      25, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        5, 4500, 0, 600, 600, 4500            ; ORG: 6, 6000, 0, 600, 600, 6000
ownership        slave

;209               Kerkuroi Fleet
type             generic ship kerkuroi
dictionary       generic_ship_kerkuroi      ; Kerkuroi Fleet
category         ship
class            light
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             light warship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         8, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  4, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      25, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        2, 1500, 375, 150, 400, 1500        ; ORG: 2, 2000, 500, 150, 400, 2500(!?)
ownership        romans_julii, romans_scipii, numidia, egypt, romans_brutii, saba, slave

;210               Lemboi Fleet
type             generic ship lemboi
dictionary       generic_ship_lemboi      ; Lemboi Fleet
category         ship
class            light
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             light warship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         6, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  13, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      25, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        2, 1725, 525, 150, 400, 1725        ; ORG: 2, 2300, 700, 150, 400, 2300
ownership        dacia, thrace, parthia, romans_brutii, greek_cities, macedon, romans_julii, numidia, carthage, romans_scipii, slave

;211               Liburne Fleet
type             generic ship liburnes
dictionary       generic_ship_liburnes      ; Liburnes Fleet
category         ship
class            light
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             light warship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         21, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  10, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      25, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        2, 4425, 1650, 200, 500, 4425        ; ORG: 3, 5900, 2200, 200, 500, 5900
ownership        seleucid, slave

;215               Nees Megistai (Huge Poliremes)
type             generic ship navas
dictionary       generic_ship_navas      ; Huge poliremes
category         ship
class            heavy
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             heavy warship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         36, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  25, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      30, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        3, 15000, 6750, 1000, 1000, 15000    ; ORG: 4, 20000, 9000, 1000, 1000, 20000
ownership        romans_brutii, numidia, macedon, romans_julii, thrace, greek_cities

;220               Oneraria Fleet
type             generic ship oneraria
dictionary       generic_ship_oneraria      ; Oneraria Fleet
category         ship
class            light
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             light warship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         1, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  8, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      20, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        1, 1350, 750, 200, 200, 1350        ; ORG: 1, 1800, 1000, 200, 200, 1800
ownership        seleucid, slave

;84               Pentekonteroi
type             generic ship penteconterai
dictionary       generic_ship_penteconterai      ; Penteconterai
category         ship
class            light
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             light warship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         10, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  4, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      25, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        2, 1875, 525, 200, 500, 1875        ; ORG: 2, 2500, 700, 200, 500, 2500
ownership        egypt, dacia, thrace, parthia, greek_cities, macedon, romans_julii, numidia, carthage, romans_scipii, seleucid, slave, romans_brutii,saba

;224               Pentereis
type             generic ship pentere
dictionary       generic_ship_pentere      ; Pentere Fleet
category         ship
class            heavy
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             flagship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         34, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  18, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      30, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        3, 8250, 3000, 700, 700, 8250        ; ORG: 4, 11000, 4000, 700, 700, 11000
ownership        greek_cities, macedon, romans_julii, numidia, egypt, thrace, carthage, saba

;109               Oniot Me'humasot (Punic Quinqiremes)
type             generic ship poeni penterai
dictionary       generic_ship_poeni_penterai      ; Poeni Penterai
category         ship
class            heavy
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             heavy warship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         34, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  18, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      30, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        3, 7125, 2550, 600, 600, 7125        ; ORG: 4, 9500, 3400, 600, 600, 9500
ownership        egypt, britons

;85               Oniot Meruba'ot (Punic Quadriremes)
type             generic ship poeni tetrerai
dictionary       generic_ship_poeni_tetrerai      ; Poeni Tetrerai
category         ship
class            heavy
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             heavy warship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         30, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  16, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      30, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        2, 6375, 2250, 520, 520, 6375        ; ORG: 3, 8500, 3000, 520, 520, 8500
ownership        egypt, slave

;226               Ponto Trevas (Ponto Flotilla)
type             generic ship ponto
dictionary       generic_ship_ponto      ; Ponto Flotilla
category         ship
class            light
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             light warship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         2, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  0, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      25, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        2, 1650, 600, 200, 500, 1650        ; ORG: 2, 2200, 800, 200, 500, 2200
ownership        gauls, scythia, britons, slave, spain

;227               Pontomora Trevas (Pontomora Fleet)
type             generic ship pontomora
dictionary       generic_ship_pontomora      ; Pontomora Fleet
category         ship
class            heavy
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             heavy warship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         8, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  9, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      25, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        2, 4500, 1125, 200, 600, 4500        ; ORG: 3, 6000, 1500, 200, 600, 6000
ownership        gauls, scythia, slave, britons, spain

;228               Pontones Trevas (Pontones Fleet)
type             generic ship pontones
dictionary       generic_ship_pontones      ; Pontones Fleet
category         ship
class            heavy
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             flagship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         12, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  22, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      25, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        2, 7500, 2175, 600, 600, 75000        ; ORG: 3, 10000, 2900, 600, 600, 10000
ownership        gauls, scythia, slave

;229               Quadrireme Fleet
type             generic ship quadrireme
dictionary       generic_ship_quadrireme      ; Quadrireme Fleet
category         ship
class            heavy
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             flagship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         30, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  16, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      25, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        3, 8625, 3450, 600, 600, 8625        ; ORG: 4, 11500, 4600, 600, 600, 11500
ownership        seleucid

;230               Quinquereme Fleet
type             generic ship quinquireme
dictionary       generic_ship_quinquireme      ; Quinquireme Fleet
category         ship
class            heavy
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             flagship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         34, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  18, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      30, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        3, 10125, 3750, 700, 700, 10125    ; ORG: 4, 13500, 5000, 700, 700, 13500
ownership        seleucid

;260               Psiloi Leisteis (Lightly armed pirates)
type             generic ship sea warriors
dictionary       generic_ship_sea_warriors      ; Sea Warriors
category         ship
class            light
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             light warship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         3, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  2, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      25, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        2, 2250, 0, 300, 600, 2250            ; ORG: 2, 3000, 0, 300, 600, 3000
ownership        slave

;263               Xorixeulom Fleudo (Warship Fleet)
type             generic ship skipaz
dictionary       generic_ship_skipaz      ; Skipaz Fleet
category         ship
class            light
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             light warship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         6, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  4, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      25, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        2, 2250, 675, 300, 600, 2250        ; ORG: 2, 3000, 900, 300, 600, 3000
ownership        germans, slave


;264               Stolos Leiston (Pirate Expedition)
type             generic ship small pirate
dictionary       generic_ship_small_pirate      ; Small Pirate Fleet
category         ship
class            heavy
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             heavy warship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         4, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  3, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      25, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        4, 1875, 0, 520, 520, 1875            ; ORG: 5, 2500, 0, 520, 520, 2500
ownership        slave

;276               Tetrereis
type             generic ship tetrere
dictionary       generic_ship_tetrere      ; Tetrere Fleet
category         ship
class            heavy
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             flagship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         30, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  16, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      25, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        3, 7500, 2700, 600, 600, 7500        ; ORG: 4, 10000, 3600, 600, 600, 10000
ownership        greek_cities, macedon, thrace, romans_julii, egypt, numidia, carthage, romans_scipii, romans_brutii, saba

;278               Transport Boats
type             generic ship transport
dictionary       generic_ship_transport      ; Transport Boats
category         ship
class            light
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             light warship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         1, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  3, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      20, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        1, 2025, 600, 200, 200, 2025        ; ORG: 1, 2700, 800, 200, 200, 2700
ownership        dacia, parthia, armenia, slave, pontus

;279               Trieremioliai
type             generic ship trihemiola
dictionary       generic_ship_trihemiola      ; Trihemiola Fleet
category         ship
class            heavy
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             heavy warship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         28, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  13, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      30, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        2, 4875, 1350, 200, 520, 4875        ; ORG: 3, 6500, 1800, 200, 520, 6500
ownership        greek_cities, macedon, romans_julii, numidia, carthage, romans_scipii, slave, thrace, seleucid, romans_brutii, egypt

;280               Triereis
type             generic ship triere
dictionary       generic_ship_triere      ; Triere Fleet
category         ship
class            heavy
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             heavy warship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         20, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  11, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      25, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        2, 4125, 1275, 200, 700, 4125        ; ORG: 3, 5500, 1700, 200, 700, 5500
ownership        thrace, greek_cities, macedon, romans_julii, numidia, carthage, romans_scipii, egypt, romans_brutii, saba

;281               Trireme Fleet
type             generic ship trireme
dictionary       generic_ship_trireme      ; Trireme Fleet
category         ship
class            heavy
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             heavy warship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         21, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  11, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      25, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        2, 4875, 2025, 200, 700, 4875        ; ORG: 3, 6500, 2700, 200, 700, 6500
ownership        seleucid, saba

(END)

Again - these are untested changes, so you may need to adjust the costs during a campaign. Though as these changes are all save-game compatible that's no big deal.

[Intranetusa]

Info on stat_cost from Aradan's EDU Guide:.
These are recent changes that I haven't tested yet / played very long with. So consider them 'pre-Alpha':

I only reduced recruit, upkeep and custom_battle_cost (now that I realize that was unnessary) to 75% (x 0.75) and didn't change the two upgrade-costs, as the AI will hardly very often retraint it's ships and for the player these costs are not too high imho (and it's less work).

For the turns I did the following to make AI-ships more common and atst not create an AI-ship-spam:
- turns: 1 & 2, unchanged
- turns: 3 --> 2 turns
- turns: 4 --> 3 turns
- turns: 5 & 6 --> 4 & 5 turns (these are exclusively strong pirate/slave/rebel fleets)

(START)

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;############### (01) EB Boats ###############
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;12               Nagwonez (Transport Boats)
type             generic ship baitaz
dictionary       generic_ship_baitaz      ; Baitaz Flotilla
category         ship
class            light
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             light warship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         1, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  2, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      20, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        2, 1500, 600, 200, 200, 1500        ; ORG: 2, 2000, 800, 200, 200, 2000
ownership        germans, slave

;104               Covered Liburnes Fleet
type             generic ship covered liburnes
dictionary       generic_ship_covered_liburnes      ; Covered Liburnes Fleet
category         ship
class            heavy
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             heavy warship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         23, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  11, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      25, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        2, 4500, 1725, 320, 520, 4500        ; ORG: 3, 6000, 2300, 320, 520, 6000
ownership        seleucid, slave

;105               Currmar
type             generic ship currmar
dictionary       generic_ship_currmar      ; Currmar Fleet
category         ship
class            heavy
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             heavy warship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         8, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  9, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      25, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        2, 4500, 1125, 200, 600, 4500        ; ORG: 3, 6000, 1500, 200, 600, 6000
ownership        spain, slave

;106               Currtaho
type             generic ship currtaho
dictionary       generic_ship_currtaho      ; Currtaho Flotilla
category         ship
class            light
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             light warship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         2, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  0, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      25, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        2, 1650, 600, 200, 500, 1650        ; ORG: 2, 2200, 800, 200, 500, 2200
ownership        spain, slave

;141               Megas Stolos Leiston (Great Pirate Expedition)
type             generic ship great pirate
dictionary       generic_ship_great_pirate      ; Great Pirate Fleet
category         ship
class            heavy
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 42, 0, 1
ship             flagship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         4, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  3, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      25, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        5, 4500, 0, 600, 600, 4500            ; ORG: 6, 6000, 0, 600, 600, 6000
ownership        slave

;209               Kerkuroi Fleet
type             generic ship kerkuroi
dictionary       generic_ship_kerkuroi      ; Kerkuroi Fleet
category         ship
class            light
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             light warship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         8, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  4, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      25, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        2, 1500, 375, 150, 400, 1500        ; ORG: 2, 2000, 500, 150, 400, 2500(!?)
ownership        romans_julii, romans_scipii, numidia, egypt, romans_brutii, saba, slave

;210               Lemboi Fleet
type             generic ship lemboi
dictionary       generic_ship_lemboi      ; Lemboi Fleet
category         ship
class            light
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             light warship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         6, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  13, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      25, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        2, 1725, 525, 150, 400, 1725        ; ORG: 2, 2300, 700, 150, 400, 2300
ownership        dacia, thrace, parthia, romans_brutii, greek_cities, macedon, romans_julii, numidia, carthage, romans_scipii, slave

;211               Liburne Fleet
type             generic ship liburnes
dictionary       generic_ship_liburnes      ; Liburnes Fleet
category         ship
class            light
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             light warship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         21, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  10, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      25, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        2, 4425, 1650, 200, 500, 4425        ; ORG: 3, 5900, 2200, 200, 500, 5900
ownership        seleucid, slave

;215               Nees Megistai (Huge Poliremes)
type             generic ship navas
dictionary       generic_ship_navas      ; Huge poliremes
category         ship
class            heavy
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             heavy warship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         36, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  25, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      30, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        3, 15000, 6750, 1000, 1000, 15000    ; ORG: 4, 20000, 9000, 1000, 1000, 20000
ownership        romans_brutii, numidia, macedon, romans_julii, thrace, greek_cities

;220               Oneraria Fleet
type             generic ship oneraria
dictionary       generic_ship_oneraria      ; Oneraria Fleet
category         ship
class            light
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             light warship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         1, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  8, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      20, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        1, 1350, 750, 200, 200, 1350        ; ORG: 1, 1800, 1000, 200, 200, 1800
ownership        seleucid, slave

;84               Pentekonteroi
type             generic ship penteconterai
dictionary       generic_ship_penteconterai      ; Penteconterai
category         ship
class            light
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             light warship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         10, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  4, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      25, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        2, 1875, 525, 200, 500, 1875        ; ORG: 2, 2500, 700, 200, 500, 2500
ownership        egypt, dacia, thrace, parthia, greek_cities, macedon, romans_julii, numidia, carthage, romans_scipii, seleucid, slave, romans_brutii,saba

;224               Pentereis
type             generic ship pentere
dictionary       generic_ship_pentere      ; Pentere Fleet
category         ship
class            heavy
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             flagship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         34, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  18, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      30, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        3, 8250, 3000, 700, 700, 8250        ; ORG: 4, 11000, 4000, 700, 700, 11000
ownership        greek_cities, macedon, romans_julii, numidia, egypt, thrace, carthage, saba

;109               Oniot Me'humasot (Punic Quinqiremes)
type             generic ship poeni penterai
dictionary       generic_ship_poeni_penterai      ; Poeni Penterai
category         ship
class            heavy
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             heavy warship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         34, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  18, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      30, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        3, 7125, 2550, 600, 600, 7125        ; ORG: 4, 9500, 3400, 600, 600, 9500
ownership        egypt, britons

;85               Oniot Meruba'ot (Punic Quadriremes)
type             generic ship poeni tetrerai
dictionary       generic_ship_poeni_tetrerai      ; Poeni Tetrerai
category         ship
class            heavy
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             heavy warship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         30, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  16, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      30, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        2, 6375, 2250, 520, 520, 6375        ; ORG: 3, 8500, 3000, 520, 520, 8500
ownership        egypt, slave

;226               Ponto Trevas (Ponto Flotilla)
type             generic ship ponto
dictionary       generic_ship_ponto      ; Ponto Flotilla
category         ship
class            light
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             light warship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         2, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  0, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      25, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        2, 1650, 600, 200, 500, 1650        ; ORG: 2, 2200, 800, 200, 500, 2200
ownership        gauls, scythia, britons, slave, spain

;227               Pontomora Trevas (Pontomora Fleet)
type             generic ship pontomora
dictionary       generic_ship_pontomora      ; Pontomora Fleet
category         ship
class            heavy
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             heavy warship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         8, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  9, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      25, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        2, 4500, 1125, 200, 600, 4500        ; ORG: 3, 6000, 1500, 200, 600, 6000
ownership        gauls, scythia, slave, britons, spain

;228               Pontones Trevas (Pontones Fleet)
type             generic ship pontones
dictionary       generic_ship_pontones      ; Pontones Fleet
category         ship
class            heavy
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             flagship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         12, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  22, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      25, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        2, 7500, 2175, 600, 600, 75000        ; ORG: 3, 10000, 2900, 600, 600, 10000
ownership        gauls, scythia, slave

;229               Quadrireme Fleet
type             generic ship quadrireme
dictionary       generic_ship_quadrireme      ; Quadrireme Fleet
category         ship
class            heavy
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             flagship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         30, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  16, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      25, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        3, 8625, 3450, 600, 600, 8625        ; ORG: 4, 11500, 4600, 600, 600, 11500
ownership        seleucid

;230               Quinquereme Fleet
type             generic ship quinquireme
dictionary       generic_ship_quinquireme      ; Quinquireme Fleet
category         ship
class            heavy
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             flagship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         34, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  18, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      30, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        3, 10125, 3750, 700, 700, 10125    ; ORG: 4, 13500, 5000, 700, 700, 13500
ownership        seleucid

;260               Psiloi Leisteis (Lightly armed pirates)
type             generic ship sea warriors
dictionary       generic_ship_sea_warriors      ; Sea Warriors
category         ship
class            light
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             light warship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         3, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  2, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      25, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        2, 2250, 0, 300, 600, 2250            ; ORG: 2, 3000, 0, 300, 600, 3000
ownership        slave

;263               Xorixeulom Fleudo (Warship Fleet)
type             generic ship skipaz
dictionary       generic_ship_skipaz      ; Skipaz Fleet
category         ship
class            light
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             light warship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         6, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  4, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      25, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        2, 2250, 675, 300, 600, 2250        ; ORG: 2, 3000, 900, 300, 600, 3000
ownership        germans, slave


;264               Stolos Leiston (Pirate Expedition)
type             generic ship small pirate
dictionary       generic_ship_small_pirate      ; Small Pirate Fleet
category         ship
class            heavy
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             heavy warship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         4, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  3, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      25, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        4, 1875, 0, 520, 520, 1875            ; ORG: 5, 2500, 0, 520, 520, 2500
ownership        slave

;276               Tetrereis
type             generic ship tetrere
dictionary       generic_ship_tetrere      ; Tetrere Fleet
category         ship
class            heavy
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             flagship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         30, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  16, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      25, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        3, 7500, 2700, 600, 600, 7500        ; ORG: 4, 10000, 3600, 600, 600, 10000
ownership        greek_cities, macedon, thrace, romans_julii, egypt, numidia, carthage, romans_scipii, romans_brutii, saba

;278               Transport Boats
type             generic ship transport
dictionary       generic_ship_transport      ; Transport Boats
category         ship
class            light
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             light warship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         1, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  3, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      20, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        1, 2025, 600, 200, 200, 2025        ; ORG: 1, 2700, 800, 200, 200, 2700
ownership        dacia, parthia, armenia, slave, pontus

;279               Trieremioliai
type             generic ship trihemiola
dictionary       generic_ship_trihemiola      ; Trihemiola Fleet
category         ship
class            heavy
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             heavy warship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         28, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  13, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      30, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        2, 4875, 1350, 200, 520, 4875        ; ORG: 3, 6500, 1800, 200, 520, 6500
ownership        greek_cities, macedon, romans_julii, numidia, carthage, romans_scipii, slave, thrace, seleucid, romans_brutii, egypt

;280               Triereis
type             generic ship triere
dictionary       generic_ship_triere      ; Triere Fleet
category         ship
class            heavy
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             heavy warship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         20, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  11, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      25, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        2, 4125, 1275, 200, 700, 4125        ; ORG: 3, 5500, 1700, 200, 700, 5500
ownership        thrace, greek_cities, macedon, romans_julii, numidia, carthage, romans_scipii, egypt, romans_brutii, saba

;281               Trireme Fleet
type             generic ship trireme
dictionary       generic_ship_trireme      ; Trireme Fleet
category         ship
class            heavy
voice_type       General_1
soldier          hellenistic_infantry_pantodapoi_illyrian, 13, 0, 1
ship             heavy warship
attributes       sea_faring
formation        1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         21, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 25 ,1  ; SHIP
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  11, 1, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      25, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        2, 4875, 2025, 200, 700, 4875        ; ORG: 3, 6500, 2700, 200, 700, 6500
ownership        seleucid, saba

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Again - these are untested changes, so you may need to adjust the costs during a campaign. Though as these changes are all save-game compatible that's no big deal.

Thanks!

Add +3 to ALL of the Argyraspides stats, they deserve it as a reward for looking so sexy.

lol


Btw, can anyone tell me why the Polybian era Roman infantry were reduced in cost? The original recruitment costs for the Polybian era hastati, principes, and triarii were 1333, 1647, and 2171 respectively. Now they cost 1066, 1185, and 1524 respectively.

[Lansa]

Add +3 to ALL of the Argyraspides stats, they deserve it as a reward for looking so sexy.

[Ferdiad]

To represnt Romes big Manpower pool and how easily recuitable they were. Or something along those lines.

[Intranetusa]

Blergh...

I'm changing them back closer to their original values cuz it seems way outta balance in comparison to other units.

Early Hastati = 1258 cost, 314 upkeep
Polybian Hastati = 1333 cost, 333 upkeep

Early Principes = 1454 cost, 364 upkeep
Polybian Principes = 1647 cost, 412 upkeep

Early Triari = 2304 cost, 576 upkeep
Polybian Triari = 2171 cost, 543 upkeep

[Ferdiad]

You just doomed the Roamn AI even more, for a player theyre easy but for the AI the original values are still too expensive.

[Intranetusa]

You just doomed the Roamn AI even more, for a player theyre easy but for the AI the original values are still too expensive.

Not if I adjust the script or use the console to add money to give them a bazillion bucks.

When I was playing as Rome, I used the console to give Carthage 3 full stack of elites in Spain and 5 full stacks in North Africa.

Besides, I have never seen Rome ever get wiped out in any of my non-Rome games since they're basically protected by water on 3 sides after taking Southern Italy.

[Ferdiad]

Money will do all, theyre already one of the richest factions.

[Spike]

actually I wonder, why some people hates Gaesatae become unique unit with 2 HP?

if it was because it was OP when played by the player, you can houserule yourselves to limit their numbers, but if it was because you have difficulties when fighting against AI who field gaesatae ouch

you should try testing the difference between 2 HP and 1 HP units in melee, it was very different behaviour , and it was rather unrealistic to argue that 1 HP gaesatae with only minor attack and defense improvement is better in melee than 2 HP gaesatae - test this on melee vs melee without any missile involved *you can do it by setting missile ammo to 0 in EDU temporarily - and remember one thing, most medium to high end regular infantry in EB *in fact, almost all of one handed swordsmen* has precursor javelin attacks, making, effectively, the AI controlled gaesatae is no different, even worse, than other 1 HP infantry unit when you put your own infantry on auto-fire, and their 1 HP means they are much quickly fall in melee when against superrior numbers, effectively negating their role as shock troops

I mainly wanted them to be more vulnerable to archers and javelins, as well as vulnerable to flanking/encircling due to the defense skill value not applying to a unit's rear. They still pwn in up close melee, but are much more vulnerable to missiles. Did some tests and in one-on-one battles, they beat imperial cohorts and first cohorts nearly every time. And this is after the 2 volleys of Roman armor piercing pilums killing about 10 Gaestates on average. Against elite units such as the Praetorians, the Gaesataes have a 50-50 chance of victory, not bad considering it's 60 vs 80

I doubt you test this as Gaesatae AI vs your own controlled romans, if you are the one who control the gaesatae, this is without doubt, but the AI is allready crap and it will make the allready weak gallic faction AI weaker

i suggest testing this as the AI controlling gaesatae, and you controlling the roman, put auto-fire on and fires twice to gaesatae line