Only Americans May Vote

[Atheist Peace]

(wait a moment for the poll)

This is going to trigger some memories amongst many of you, I am sure.

So, do you... and why, or why not?

[marksman101]

plan on joining military...

[Gaius Baltar]

Yes, before class each day (many years ago) it was standard for us to say the Pledge of Alliegance (right hand over heart), sing "God Bless America", and show our clean hankies.

[therussian]

I used to in school. I have not done so for at least 4-5 years

[Last Roman]

I've got nothing against the flag so I said yes. And I did it all through K-12. Though we used to do it everday, by the time I was in HS, we only said it once a week (and as far as I know, they still say it once a week)

[Søren]

I didn't vote, being British.

While I disagree with patriotism as a theory, I would also consider it only inevitable that groups with certian ideaologies/geographic arrangement would combine. For the purposes of continuing what one might percieve as a better world view and general way of life - which may be considered to be most easily put into place by help of one particular geographic group. So I would consider patriotism the most pragmatic approach as it is something that people can identify with more readily than some abstract concept of what is best.

Thus I would hold hold that it is a necessary implement with which to turn the masses in the right direction, but should not be considered correct in an idealistic manner.

For these reasons, I would "pledge allliegance to the flag".

Actually, I am currently "wearing" a signiture along these lines.

[Tom Paine]

How about something less Americanocentric, huh? maybe, "Would you pledge allegiance to your flag?"

[Last Roman]

How about something less Americanocentric, huh? maybe, "Would you pledge allegiance to your flag?"

but the whole point of the thread is to find out if American kids still do the pledge. Does Britain even have one?

[Atheist Peace]

but the whole point of the thread is to find out if American kids still do the pledge. Does Britain even have one?

No, Britain doesn't. I don't think any other country has one. I wouldn't be surprised if Nazi Germany had something similar though.

[Last Roman]

No, Britain doesn't. I don't think any other country has one. I wouldn't be surprised if Nazi Germany had something similar though.

comparing America to Nazi Germany now? c'mon AP...

Your damn right I do. Always have. Now sometimes in school I get distracted and miss part of the pledge, but most of the time I get the whole thing in. I personally have a problem with kids being able to choose if they want to stand and say the pledge or not. You live in America and you are an American citizen, therefore you should always stand and say the pledge, regardless of race, descent, religion, etc. If you don't want to say the pledge, I do want you to be included as a Citizen, is not that hard to stand for a minute and say the words, everyone know them by heart, I hope you do atleast.

it's also a democracy and it's their choice to stand up and say it. I don't like it either, but I'm not gonna force them to do it.

edit: damnit, double post, sorry

Merged double post-Valus

[Lasher]

No, Britain doesn't. I don't think any other country has one. I wouldn't be surprised if Nazi Germany had something similar though.

Nazi Germany did have one and so did the Soviet union accept you plead to Stalin himself.

Even though America has fought a justified war since 1812. I'm proud of my family in this country even though they were taking advantage of by the rich in foreign bs wars.

Also I'm Atheist and say "under God" at the end. *gasp*

[IamthePope]

Also I'm Atheist and "under God" say at the end. *gasp*

If memory serves me correctly, the "under God" part was added during the Eisenhower administration to differentiate the "god blessed America" from the godless Commies who were infiltrating the State department and contaminating our precious bodily fluids.

BTW, convert to Catholicsm

[Shadows]

Your damn right I do. Always have. Now sometimes in school I get distracted and miss part of the pledge, but most of the time I get the whole thing in. I personally have a problem with kids being able to choose if they want to stand and say the pledge or not. You live in America and you are an American citizen, therefore you should always stand and say the pledge, regardless of race, descent, religion, etc. If you don't want to say the pledge, I do want you to be included as a Citizen, is not that hard to stand for a minute and say the words, everyone know them by heart, I hope you do atleast.

[Atheist Peace]

Your damn right I do. Always have. Now sometimes in school I get distracted and miss part of the pledge, but most of the time I get the whole thing in. I personally have a problem with kids being able to choose if they want to stand and say the pledge or not. You live in America and you are an American citizen, therefore you should always stand and say the pledge, regardless of race, descent, religion, etc. If you don't want to say the pledge, I do want you to be included as a Citizen, is not that hard to stand for a minute and say the words, everyone know them by heart, I hope you do atleast.

Why should anyone? You act as if it is some kind of obligation, but why should people owe their allegiance to others?

[Shadows]

Why should anyone? You act as if it is some kind of obligation, but why should people owe their allegiance to others?

I think it is an obligation of sorts. I mean, how did the pledge get made to be a part of our school day?? It was either a Bill or part of one that passed through our government, which since it is a democracy, that means the government is full of elected people, elected by the citizens that is. So indirectly the people agreed to have the pledge be recited in school, so why should they now stop saying, just because they don't want too?? They agreed to recite it before and I have yet to see a Bill that changes that decision, so why should people still be reciting the pledge??

[Atheist Peace]

I think it is an obligation of sorts. I mean, how did the pledge get made to be a part of our school day?? It was either a Bill or part of one that passed through our government, which since it is a democracy, that means the government is full of elected people, elected by the citizens that is. So indirectly the people agreed to have the pledge be recited in school, so why should they now stop saying, just because they don't want too?? They agreed to recite it before and I have yet to see a Bill that changes that decision, so why should people still be reciting the pledge??

The students doing the pledging voted to have that enacted?

[Sétanta]

Yes I do. And I would do it by myself in front of the whole class if I had too.

[Blaven]

Yes I do. And I would do it by myself in front of the whole class if I had too.

Are you in the Young Republicans club?

And to what someone else said: you are not required to say the pledge here. It's entirely optional, but at my old Catholic school we always said it right after prayers, and everyone basically stood standing anyway.

[orange slice]

I don't in school, because my class at the time TV doesn't work so they can play the pledge on it. But i do during athletic events, such as baseball, basketball, hockey etc.

[Fenris]

Some non-americans voted, like Siblesz which is Venezuelian if I recall correctly... and he's a divus... BAD DIVUS!