Is anyone else fed up with bias against the Star Wars Prequel Trilogy?

I'm totally sick of unfair bias against the Prequel Trilogy. This is going to be a fairly civilised rant, but still a rant.

Anyway, to start:

I get really fed up with hearing time and time again these pathetic statements along the lines that George Lucas has lost his edge, or that CGI has ruined star wars, or that the acting in the PT(Prequel Trilogy)is crap, or that the writing is poor; etc. I can't describe how sick I am of Lucas-bashing, Prequel-bashing, and all of this rubbish. Some people make ridiculous criticisms, even of Revenge of the Sith, which clearly is far superior to any of the previous prequels, and, I would say, on par with the original trilogy. It is clearly an excellent film, far better than either of the previous two prequels, and almost as good as the Originals. Not so for some biased people. They just can't get over Episodes I and II, even though George made III incredibly dark, sinister, violent, and tragic, even though he Massively improved on the dialogue(don't say he didn't), even though the acting was hugely better, even though everything was tied up, actually showing the horrible brutality and tragedy of the Birth of Darth Vader, the extermination of the Jedi by Order 66, the slaughter of children, the cold-blooded massacre of the seperatists by Anakin/Vader, the death of democracy, Mace Windu's horrific execution, Vader screaming and burning to death in a planet that symbolises Hell..........tragic music................loads of people thought this was tons better than anything in the first two prequels, which is an excellent thing, but - why do so many people still not rate it on par with the Original Trilogy? My stupid, pathetic mother's biased opinion on this is simply that it wasn't compelling to her, unlike the Original Trilogy. I totally disagree. Just look at the way Lucas created the film, all the symbolism, all of the darkness, the tragic nature of the plot, all of this.......the political parts, because they came to the point of dictatorship proper in this, were really frightening and deliver a really good message about the danger of desiring security over freedom.......all of that, and the darkest parts of the film, and she couldn't see the emotion in any of it? Why can't she feel any of the tragedy and the sadness and how it is compelling? I just get so fed up with people like her. I spent the last hour and a half arguing about it with her. Despite my greater intelligence, despite my superior morality, despite my intelligent opinions, she crushed my points with utter tosh. The only reason I didn't get really ****** off at her and shove her onto the ground for spouting such utter junk is because she is a member of my family. If anyone else said that I'd punch them. Most absurdly of all, she felt that what she said represented the majority of people's opinions.

Oh yeah? Then why is ROTS the 12th highest ranking film of all time even though the previous two prequels failed bitterly in comparison to it, even though it only came out just over 1 year ago? Why did loads of intelligent film critics judge it to be the best Star Wars film since TESB? Why did so many people give positive ratings in comparison to the previous two prequels? Why did so many people give it praise on forums around the entire west even while still not liking the first two prequels? Why all of this? Because it Was recieved tons better by virtually everyone, that's why. She is just stupid.

I just don't understand people like "her" *growls* . I guess I just won't listen to her ever again when talking about films, and try to respect her totally dumb opinions. Grrrrrrrr.

Anyway, polite opinions, please?


She should just thank god that I am merciful to pathetic idiots like her. God I hate my mother.

Do I sound crazy saying that?


Finally, I sincerely hope that the majority of people agree with me. I won't listen to biased people who say that any of the prequels are crap. I refuse to listen to them.

In fact, if anyone posts something like that, I request that it is deleted because it counts as trolling.

I like all the films, but im so sick of the older ones id much rather watch the prequels.. call me a shallow person but i like explosions to look nice. I know none of them are great films, but as far as star wars goes, at the moment id much rather watch the prequels, the old ones are so boring in comparison.

If anyone else said that I'd punch them.

Then go out and hit someone. I will do you good.

And yes, you do sound crazy. You are the only person ever I have heard of that would hit their own mother over a Star Wars film.

As to the old vs new Star Wars films, i think the old ones had a slightly better storyline as a whole, but the acting/effects/almost everything else were better in the prequel trilogy. BTW, Return of the Sith is probably the best, just ahead of the original trilogy.

Wow, two people or more saying Revenge of the Sith was tons better and worthy of being equal to the OT! Right on! And yes, it Was the darkness that made it better. We knew it was going to happen anyway, but seeing it happen on screen was chilling, thrilling, and saddening all at the same time, which is what makes it such a good film.

That'll teach that pathetic old woman(my mother). Oh well.........I guess that just proves that one should always be careful how much they listened to their parents when they were kids - not now, I mean, but seeing as she has opinions like that, I feel ashamed for believing her about other things she told me when I was much younger. Oh well - never again.

Originally Posted by rez

First off if i were to actually say that the prequel trilogy sucked and you called me biased. You would need to prove a reason for my Bias. Such as George Lucas will no longer return my love letters so i am now biased against his films.

I'm not quite sure what you mean here.

That being said i did really like the revenge of the sith, the darkness of the film was a welcome return to the empire strikes back style.

Exactly. Why "she" can't see the emotion involved with the darkness and the tragedy, I don't know. Oh well, who cares what a 53 year old, 5"1 tall poor woman thinks anyway? I don't, not anymore.

However the moment at the end with Sarth Vader screaming "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" almost ruined the entire film - utter cheesy drivvle that had me in hysterics.

Why? It was showing the tragedy of what just happened. Maybe he should have screamed something else, but to me it was still effective. It was still tragic, despite that one bit, which actually enhanced the tragedy - but obviously, it wasn't absolutely necessary to go to excess. Not that it causes any serious problems at all.

The previous two films were to say the least boring - the first time i fell asleep in a cinema was to episode one. The endless monotony of the republic's grievances and the detestable Jar jar binks were a continuous motiff of drudgery.

I think I can agree there, but that is mostly irrelavant. The point is that Revenge of the Sith wasn't like that, which is why it is so compelling.

[QUOTE[But to be truly honest CGI in no way compares to puppets and stop-motion[/QUOTE]

I kinda agree. Just kind of. Not really sure.

No you sound like every other teenager - i did the same

Are you a lot older then?

It's a bit deeper than that for me, because I actually considered shoving her to the ground and screaming abuse at her once when she really ****** me off with her pathetic, dumb opinions.

Not that I actually did that, but I certainly reveled in the thought of it.

Originally Posted by Reidy

Then go out and hit someone. I will do you good.

Pardon? Did you mean to say: "It will do you good" and not "I will do you good" ?

And yes, you do sound crazy. You are the only person ever I have heard of that would hit their own mother over a Star Wars film.

It isn't just about Star Wars. It's about loads of films and her elitist attitude on them.

As to the old vs new Star Wars films, i think the old ones had a slightly better storyline as a whole, but the acting/effects/almost everything else were better in the prequel trilogy.

Interesting opinion.........still, while I actually feel that the storyline is just as good, in a different way, in the Prequel Trilogy, I don't feel that the acting was better, save for in Revenge of the Sith. That was a serious improvement, and a whole lot more.

BTW, Return of the Sith is probably the best, just ahead of the original trilogy.

Excellent. See? This is why I don't understand my pathetic old mother's opinions at all.

Oh, and not to nitpick, but, btw, it's "Revenge of the Sith", not "Return".

Originally Posted by rUGBYFAN

I watched all of the Star Wars films and enjoyed all of them except Return of the Sith, the reason that I did not like Return of the Sith and the best way to describe it is to use the book analogy.

If you are reading a good book the first time you read it you do not want to know the ending before you have got to the end of the book.

Unfortunately the way that the films were made, the only film where you knew how it was going to end when you started watching it was Return of the Sith. Having said that I really enjoyed the other 5 films in the 2 trilogies.

Comments please?
Rugbyfan

I'm not sure that I understand your opinion, really. Do you mean Return of the Jedi, which is the last movie chronologically in the Star Wars timeframe, or do you mean Revenge of the Sith, which is the most recent, last, and highest rated Star Wars film?

Also, I couldn't understand anyone prefering the first two prequels to ROTS. Ever. No one would.

Originally Posted by Honor&Glory

1) Every opinion is biased. If you like the movie, you're biased. If you don't like it, you're biased. Don't accuse other people of bias and label yourself as not being biased, when in reality everyone is biased.

Yeah, I guess that could be true in some ways. What I get angry about is that my mother claims not to be biased, yet she can find no emotional feeling in Revenge of the Sith at all, even though it was the most emotional and tragic Star Wars film of all. That's why I find her opinion pathetic.

2) It's just a movie. It's fiction. Some people will love it, some people will hate it. Some people don't really care. Get over it.

I wish I could.

3) Be respectful and nice to your mother no matter what her opinions are. Afterall, conservatives are supposed to have "family values".

I'm an Extreme British Nationalist, not a conservative, buddy.

I don't give a flip about family values, especially as my family has none anyway. But that's just my opinion. :original:

Originally Posted by DrakKassleron

Yeah, I guess that could be true in some ways. What I get angry about is that my mother claims not to be biased, yet she can find no emotional feeling in Revenge of the Sith at all, even though it was the most emotional and tragic Star Wars film of all. That's why I find her opinion pathetic.

I wish I could.

Well, you should get over it. It's just a movie. You can't say that your mother's opinion regarding the movie is pathetic just because she didn't like it.

I myself never liked any of the Star Wars movies. It just didn't appeal to me. So does that mean that my opinion is pathetic? If I don't like the movie then I don't like it.

Originally Posted by DrakKassleron

I'm an Extreme British Nationalist, not a conservative, buddy.

That's not what your user title says. :wink:

First off if i were to actually say that the prequel trilogy sucked and you called me biased. You would need to prove a reason for my Bias. Such as George Lucas will no longer return my love letters so i am now biased against his films.

That being said i did really like the revenge of the sith, the darkness of the film was a welcome return to the empire strikes back style. However the moment at the end with Sarth Vader screaming "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" almost ruined the entire film - utter cheesy drivvle that had me in hysterics.

The previous two films were to say the least boring - the first time i fell asleep in a cinema was to episode one. The endless monotony of the republic's grievances and the detestable Jar jar binks were a continuous motiff of drudgery.

But to be truly honest CGI in no way compares to puppets and stop-motion

"She should just thank god that I am merciful to pathetic idiots like her. God I hate my mother.

Do I sound crazy saying that?"

No you sound like every other teenager - i did the same

Moved to "The Arts"

I watched all of the Star Wars films and enjoyed all of them except Return of the Sith, the reason that I did not like Return of the Sith and the best way to describe it is to use the book analogy.

If you are reading a good book the first time you read it you do not want to know the ending before you have got to the end of the book.

Unfortunately the way that the films were made, the only film where you knew how it was going to end when you started watching it was Return of the Sith. Having said that I really enjoyed the other 5 films in the 2 trilogies.

Comments please?
Rugbyfan

Sorry getting the original titles mixed Revenge of the Jedi was the original title for Return of the Jedi, I meant Return of the Sith

Well I don't know what lists Drak had in mind but "The Sith hit the fan" is in place 209 of the imdb list http://www.imdb.com/chart/top

If he meant wordwide Box office, this is hardly a quality indicator since Titanic is no1, and still all LOTR movies 3 Harry potters Shreck, Jurassic and some more are above it. So are all those movies better? By Drak's reasoning, yes.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/

And to reply to your questions Lucas never lost an edge because he never had it, the best movie of the six is unsurprisingly not directed by him but by Irving Kershner http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080684/

Lucas was never much of a director, he had a fun and popular concept executed well in the first three movies and then he threw at us the unimaginable crap of Menace and the Clones. After that whatever he did could only improve and it did...barely.

Originally Posted by Justinian

Wow Drak, chill out and treat your mother with respect. Try living without your parents for a day.

Wish I could.......but no. And I see no reason to treat a traitor to England with respect. She doesn't even support the Iraq War. What a.......ok, I'll stop there.

And that isn't the point of this thread, but I don't really mind.

Originally Posted by Garbarsardar

Well I don't know what lists Drak had in mind but "The Sith hit the fan" is in place 209 of the imdb list http://www.imdb.com/chart/top

If he meant wordwide Box office, this is hardly a quality indicator since Titanic is no1, and still all LOTR movies 3 Harry potters Shreck, Jurassic and some more are above it. So are all those movies better? By Drak's reasoning, yes.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/

And to reply to your questions Lucas never lost an edge because he never had it, the best movie of the six is unsurprisingly not directed by him but by Irving Kershner http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080684/

Lucas was never much of a director, he had a fun and popular concept executed well in the first three movies and then he threw at us the unimaginable crap of Menace and the Clones. After that whatever he did could only improve and it did...barely.

Ok............first off, that's horribly biased. Second, if you hate the prequels that much, then don't post, please.

This is a thread for praising ROTS and how it made up brilliantly for the weaknesses of Episodes I and II. If you don't agree, then don't post. Thankyou.

Sorry if that sounds terribly arrogant.

Lucas was never much of a director, he had a fun and popular concept executed well in the first three movies and then he threw at us the unimaginable crap of Menace and the Clones. After that whatever he did could only improve and it did...barely.

That is Totally untrue. Episodes I and II may have been just average or slightly above, but they were hardly "unimaginable crap". And how can you say that Revenge of the Sith only improved "Barely" ? That's absurd. Surely you must be able to say more positive things than that.

And if it wasn't for Lucas, Star Wars wouldn't even have existed, so don't blame him for the weaknesses of Episodes I and II. It's like this goddamn CA bashing and RTW bashing. It's become a fad for socialists and communist scum alike to insult things in this way. And while I can tolerate CA bashing and sometimes even put up with RTW bashing, I will not put up with Lucas bashing. I won't.


Back on topic, please explain your points better, and then I might understand better. :original:

Originally Posted by Honor&Glory

Well, you should get over it. It's just a movie. You can't say that your mother's opinion regarding the movie is pathetic just because she didn't like it.

It was a lot more than just dislike. She was insulting George Lucas. That I find offensive.

I myself never liked any of the Star Wars movies. It just didn't appeal to me. So does that mean that my opinion is pathetic? If I don't like the movie then I don't like it.

No, that's fine, as long as you mean all Six movies.

That's not what your user title says.

Yes, but I when I go to my User Control Panel, I can't change that title, since I gave it to myself when I was still a civitate. Is there another way to change it?

Nah, I'm a fascist today so ROTS is attacked by the extreme right. Beware!

Let me reiterate my points:

1.Well I don't know what lists Drak had in mind but "The Sith hit the fan" is in place 209 of the imdb list http://www.imdb.com/chart/top

meaning that on the biggest movie site on the net the movie is 209 places from the top=not really appreciated

2.If he meant wordwide Box office, this is hardly a quality indicator since Titanic is no1, and still all LOTR movies 3 Harry potters Shreck, Jurassic and some more are above it. So are all those movies better? By Drak's reasoning, yes.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/

meaning that being on number 12 is worst than being on any number from 1 to 11. By that logic Titanic is the best movie ever. Do you really believe that?

3.And to reply to your questions Lucas never lost an edge because he never had it, the best movie of the six is unsurprisingly not directed by him but by Irving Kershner http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080684/

The movie considered the best of the six was not directed by Lucas. Wonder why?

And sorry but you are very biased. Your lust for princess Leia blinds you from the horrible truth. Those movies are a communist allegory where rag tag rebels attack a fascist Empire that wants only to bring law and order to the Galaxy. The empire upholds the higher values of racial purity, and social order contrary to the disgusting mix of races that are the rebels. And we have discipline and wear nice black and grey uniforms.

Ha!

Originally Posted by DrakKassleron

I'm totally sick of unfair bias against the Prequel Trilogy. This is going to be a fairly civilised rant, but still a rant.

Anyway, to start:

I get really fed up with hearing time and time again these pathetic statements along the lines that George Lucas has lost his edge, or that CGI has ruined star wars, or that the acting in the PT(Prequel Trilogy)is crap, or that the writing is poor; etc. I can't describe how sick I am of Lucas-bashing, Prequel-bashing, and all of this rubbish. Some people make ridiculous criticisms, even of Revenge of the Sith, which clearly is far superior to any of the previous prequels, and, I would say, on par with the original trilogy. It is clearly an excellent film, far better than either of the previous two prequels, and almost as good as the Originals. Not so for some biased people. They just can't get over Episodes I and II, even though George made III incredibly dark, sinister, violent, and tragic, even though he Massively improved on the dialogue(don't say he didn't), even though the acting was hugely better, even though everything was tied up, actually showing the horrible brutality and tragedy of the Birth of Darth Vader, the extermination of the Jedi by Order 66, the slaughter of children, the cold-blooded massacre of the seperatists by Anakin/Vader, the death of democracy, Mace Windu's horrific execution, Vader screaming and burning to death in a planet that symbolises Hell..........tragic music................loads of people thought this was tons better than anything in the first two prequels, which is an excellent thing, but - why do so many people still not rate it on par with the Original Trilogy? My stupid, pathetic mother's biased opinion on this is simply that it wasn't compelling to her, unlike the Original Trilogy. I totally disagree. Just look at the way Lucas created the film, all the symbolism, all of the darkness, the tragic nature of the plot, all of this.......the political parts, because they came to the point of dictatorship proper in this, were really frightening and deliver a really good message about the danger of desiring security over freedom.......all of that, and the darkest parts of the film, and she couldn't see the emotion in any of it? Why can't she feel any of the tragedy and the sadness and how it is compelling? I just get so fed up with people like her. I spent the last hour and a half arguing about it with her. Despite my greater intelligence, despite my superior morality, despite my intelligent opinions, she crushed my points with utter tosh. The only reason I didn't get really ****** off at her and shove her onto the ground for spouting such utter junk is because she is a member of my family. If anyone else said that I'd punch them. Most absurdly of all, she felt that what she said represented the majority of people's opinions.

Oh yeah? Then why is ROTS the 12th highest ranking film of all time even though the previous two prequels failed bitterly in comparison to it, even though it only came out just over 1 year ago? Why did loads of intelligent film critics judge it to be the best Star Wars film since TESB? Why did so many people give positive ratings in comparison to the previous two prequels? Why did so many people give it praise on forums around the entire west even while still not liking the first two prequels? Why all of this? Because it Was recieved tons better by virtually everyone, that's why. She is just stupid.

I just don't understand people like "her" *growls* . I guess I just won't listen to her ever again when talking about films, and try to respect her totally dumb opinions. Grrrrrrrr.

Anyway, polite opinions, please?


She should just thank god that I am merciful to pathetic idiots like her. God I hate my mother.

Do I sound crazy saying that?


Finally, I sincerely hope that the majority of people agree with me. I won't listen to biased people who say that any of the prequels are crap. I refuse to listen to them.

In fact, if anyone posts something like that, I request that it is deleted because it counts as trolling.

1) Every opinion is biased. If you like the movie, you're biased. If you don't like it, you're biased. Don't accuse other people of bias and label yourself as not being biased, when in reality everyone is biased.

2) It's just a movie. It's fiction. Some people will love it, some people will hate it. Some people don't really care. Get over it.

3) Be respectful and nice to your mother no matter what her opinions are. Afterall, conservatives are supposed to have "family values".

:original:

Wow Drak, chill out and treat your mother with respect. Try living without your parents for a day.

I fail to see how bashing Star wars is a leftist gambit. The entire story is based around liberal rebels attempting to overthrow a far right wing, evil Empire.

I may not be much older than you but the amount of teenagers who do not experience conflict with their parents are in the minority. Blame those dastardly hormones!

"so don't blame him for the weaknesses of Episodes I and II."

Considering Lucas wote and directed those films i would say hes right in the line of fire

Edit: oh and what i meant earlier applies now, you say Garb's sources are biased. But they need a motive to be biased otherwise the accusations are false

What the hell has Star Wars got to do with politics?

episode III is better than the other prequals, but is it as good as the originals...? No. (In my highly biased, leftist, non-I want to kill my mother sort of way of course)

Originally Posted by God

What the hell has Star Wars got to do with politics? I'm sure just as many Far-rightist 'scum' dislike Star Wars episode III.

episode III is better than the other prequals, but is it as good as the originals...? No. (In my highly biased, leftist, non-I want to kill my mother sort of way of course)

If it tastes like chicken, looks like chicken, and feels like chicken, but God says its beef. Then it's fracking beef.



Anyway. I thought ROTS was about equal with the originals. It was good no doubt but far better than the other prequels


And I think you have some serious issues with your Mother. You really should try to find some common ground at least to start with.

The prequels were bad... The cgi was in no way trying to look real... everyone saw when there was cgi because it was badly done. Some actors were terrible. And ofcourse the otherwise best of the three epIII was ruined completely at the end by the "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!" and left a "this sucked " label instead of a "below average ". And don't get me started on the other ones, one thing is enough... Jar Jar Binks...

Haha, now this is getting slightly amusing.

Let me explain my position. My political views have nothing to do with my love of Star Wars. The fact that I am an Extreme-Right British Nationalist who would agree with the "Empire" doesn't mean that I don't apprieciate the message that Star Wars delivers. And I'm still pretty sure that even if it's liberal, it ain't commie, thankfully.

Besides, if that was the case, then Revenge of the Sith should be the most thrilling in a truly brutal way. However, it is tragic, and I sympathise with the good characters, regardless of my own political views.

Originally Posted by rez

I fail to see how bashing Star wars is a leftist gambit. The entire story is based around liberal rebels attempting to overthrow a far right wing, evil Empire.

Yeah, I know. I support the Empire, but not Palpatine, since he is evil, but they are just tough.

I may not be much older than you but the amount of teenagers who do not experience conflict with their parents are in the minority. Blame those dastardly hormones!

Spot on.

Considering Lucas wote and directed those films i would say hes right in the line of fire

I don't care, because he redeemed himself with the masterpiece that is Revenge of the Sith.

And lots of people liked it. Look it up on wikipedia.

Edit: oh and what i meant earlier applies now, you say Garb's sources are biased. But they need a motive to be biased otherwise the accusations are false

Possibly.

Originally Posted by Garbarsardar

Nah, I'm a fascist today so ROTS is attacked by the extreme right. Beware!

Sort of. But I'm definitely a Fascist and I still find ROTS to be a massively compelling movie, regardless of my own political views. Besides, I think you were joking. :sign_lol:

Let me reiterate my points:

1.Well I don't know what lists Drak had in mind but "The Sith hit the fan" is in place 209 of the imdb list http://www.imdb.com/chart/top

meaning that on the biggest movie site on the net the movie is 209 places from the top=not really appreciated

Well I'm sorry but I just don't believe that biased junk. Wikipedia states that the movie was recieved much better than the previous two prequels in general. Far better. It was hardly badly regarded on average.

2.If he meant wordwide Box office, this is hardly a quality indicator since Titanic is no1, and still all LOTR movies 3 Harry potters Shreck, Jurassic and some more are above it. So are all those movies better? By Drak's reasoning, yes.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/

meaning that being on number 12 is worst than being on any number from 1 to 11. By that logic Titanic is the best movie ever. Do you really believe that?

I don't know what you mean.

3.And to reply to your questions Lucas never lost an edge because he never had it, the best movie of the six is unsurprisingly not directed by him but by Irving Kershner http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080684/

The movie considered the best of the six was not directed by Lucas. Wonder why?

No, that's insulting and ridiculous. I refuse to agree with that.

And ROTS was much darker than TESB. Lucas certainly did that right, even if TESB is still slightly more highly regarded.

And I love TESB too.

And sorry but you are very biased. Your lust for princess Leia blinds you from the horrible truth. Those movies are a communist allegory where rag tag rebels attack a fascist Empire that wants only to bring law and order to the Galaxy. The empire upholds the higher values of racial purity, and social order contrary to the disgusting mix of races that are the rebels. And we have discipline and wear nice black and grey uniforms.

Ha!

ROFLMAO! :laughing: :sign_rofl

"Lust for Princess Leia" OMFG!

That made me laugh, thanks mate. :original:

But I support the Empire, and I certainly don't like the liberal multi-culturalism of the Rebels. However, they certainly aren't communists - remember, freedom for all? They are liberals, but not commies. Still, I prefer the racial purity of the empire.

And you're talking about the OT, not the PT. Original Trilogy, not Prequel Trilogy.

We're talking about the Prequel trilogy.


Anyway, it's just funny that the two men in the United States who I admire the most both have totally different political views but the same first name. George Lucas and George Bush. Both great men.

Although politically I usually agree with Bush, I agree with Lucas on other issues.

Originally Posted by God

What the hell has Star Wars got to do with politics? I'm sure just as many Far-rightist 'scum' dislike Star Wars episode III.

Most people like the movie anyway, so that's irrelavent. Besides, I just said that because I hate the far-left.

episode III is better than the other prequals, but as good as the originals...? No. (In my highly biased, leftist, non-I want to kill my mother sort of way of course)

I can agree with that to a certain extent - however, I feel that some parts of the movie, particularly in the latter half, brought it close to the originals, and even above Return of the Jedi in many ways.

EDIT: Note how 'scum' is placed in speech marks. I don't really think the extreme far right are scum...

Good..........because I AM the Extreme Right.

Anyone who's seen ROTS knows who that quote is taken from.

EDIT 2: And Drak, stop telling us how 'evil lefties' are to blame for everything. Surely you don't think that hatred of episode III is really caused by the left wing, do you?

No, because most people don't hate it at all.

Originally Posted by Mr.Flint

What was bad about the Prequels?
Everything. (The fighting Yodas were a major annoyance)
What was so bad ROTS? Everything.
In details?
Cheesy lines, lousy dialoguess, very rough loose ends tying, horrible editing (and im not refering to the editing effects, those deserve a special cathegory of horribleness) etc...
Obi-Wan leaving Anakin to die a horrible slow death after that patethic "like a brother to me" speech? gah... not only it illogical. Jedi? ya know the GOOD guys? Even Sith would think twice of doing that.
And the Anakin/Frankenstein scene was just plain stupid, i was laughing so hard that i spilled my cola on the people who sat infront of me... the only detail missing was Palpatin's scream "Its Alive! Its Alive!"
Bah that movie was a waste of 13 bucks

How can you possibly insult the creation of Darth Vader? On other forums people praise the film so much that if you posted that on there, they would kill you for saying that. Loads of people like it. You are Cynical. Liberal, conservative, socialist..........whatever.
Sorry for flaming but I feel really insulted, especially when someone laughs at a tragedy.

Look on other forums. You are in the minority.


Oh and btw, some people were brought to tears by Obi-Wan's speech. Seriously, I don't understand your view at all.

Originally Posted by shadepanther

If it tastes like chicken, looks like chicken, and feels like chicken, but God says its beef. Then it's fracking beef.

Huh? What does that mean?

Anyway. I thought ROTS was about equal with the originals. It was good no doubt but far better than the other prequels

Excellent, I'm pleased to see that I was correct. ROTS was liked by the majority, unlike the previous two prequels.

And I think you have some serious issues with your Mother. You really should try to find some common ground at least to start with.

Is that relevant? But believe me, we do have some common ground.

Originally Posted by StarDreamer

The prequels were bad... The cgi was in no way trying to look real... everyone saw when there was cgi because it was badly done. Some actors were terrible. And ofcourse the otherwise best of the three epIII was ruined completely at the end by the "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!" and left a "this sucked " label instead of a "below average ". And don't get me started on the other ones, one thing is enough... Jar Jar Binks...

Oh god, this is awful. Do you know how many people on Star Wars forums would want to kill you for saying that? :devil:

More seriously, I can't believe that one single word screwed up the whole film for you.


And honestly, this hate of Jar Jar Binks used to be funny, but now it has just become childish and silly, as much as he is. Ignoring him is a better idea.

Oh and he was only a cameo in Episode III. Nothing more.

Oh well. But look on other forums, and you'll see loads of intelligent, adult people who love ROTS, both on the opening last year and now. Shocking, by your standards.


Anyway - this is really ticking me off...........

Originally Posted by DrakKassleron

How can you possibly insult the creation of Darth Vader? On other forums people praise the film so much that if you posted that on there, they would kill you for saying that. Loads of people like it. You are Cynical. Liberal, conservative, socialist..........whatever.
Sorry for flaming but I feel really insulted, especially when someone laughs at a tragedy.

Heh, this is amusing...

Do you mind providing links to those forums, the threads, list the age, education and occupation of these people?
More so i dare those people try to kill me, im certain my Klingon guard will handle them... (The last ScifiCon, had a quite hillarious scuffle of the Klingons with the Imperial Troopers... a blaster replica is no math to a bat'leth )
Tragedy? The Masters of Tradegy roll in their graves upon hearing such sacrilegious words.....

Originally Posted by DrakKassleron

Look on other forums. You are in the minority.
Oh and btw, some people were brought to tears by Obi-Wan's speech. Seriously, I don't understand your view at all.

Well thank you, id rather be part of the blue blooded minority rather than part of the unwashed masses of the majority
Strangely the sounds i was hearing in cinema, had little semblance to crying.... more like laughter