New faction Yes or No?

[Master Celeborn]

Hi everyone, I know I am not an influent member of this communauty, but I am asking to me if I am the only fan of Third age total war to want another new faction for the next version or the game is well balanced or complete. This poll is just for the vanilla version.

Personally, I think the game needs VOA faction, but I cannot dowlod the appropriate submod because I won't sacrifice the Baron compilation.

**** If you say yes, could you name your faction addition and the reasons.

** the goal af that topic is to expose geopolitic ideas and constructive debates. You must consider both lore and total war aspects and concepts.

could you structure your faction sugestion like this exemple. It will be simple dor me to do a compilation and send private request to kk?

A. factions you want strongly and game needs according to you
1. Lorient
2. Vale of Anduin
3. gender of angmar remanants (Revamp OOg)
4. Dunland

b. possible factions, but they do not make unnamity

1. Umbar
2. Dol Guldur
3. Ered Luin
4. Dol Amroth

c. faction you don't want
1. Khand
2. Shire
3. Lossoth
4. imladris / Lindon

The goal of thatr topic is to take the mind of third age communauty. But i think kk will focus their energy for the moment to improve curre features.

[Dutch-Balrog]

I think its good as it is, when the new MOS is out it will come with a Dunland faction and it will also contain alot of Baron Samedis submod.

[Gallus]

Splitting the Silvan Elves is a must. Or at least a Vale of Anduin faction, though I'd prefer both.

[fightermedic]

Splitting the Silvan Elves is a must. Or at least a Vale of Anduin faction, though I'd prefer both.

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+ dunland

[GueulEclator]

Well an Angmar faction is a good idea. That's why our our submod is about adding one (see signature).
Also, I always liked the idea of an Umbar faction.
Plus, I red in one of tolkien's book that the numenorean had established colony all around the world, not just in umbar and eriador, and that they maintained some of them after the fall.
It was stated that there was other black numenorean realm south of Umbar.
I heard there was even a queen from those unknown black numenorean realm (it was stated she was not from umbar i think) that married a king of gondor.
It was the infamous queen with the strange cat if i remember.

So in tolkien'S lore there still existed black numenorean realm other than umbar. They might have stayed intact, as opposed to umbar who was mixed with harad culture.

[Master Celeborn]

So in tolkien'S lore there still existed black numenorean realm other than umbar. They might have stayed intact, as opposed to umbar who was mixed with harad culture.

unfortunatly, I think is impossible to see an expansion of the middle earth in the south at short-term. If you want another evilk faction in the south, i think we must add another good faction. I think is an expansion in the east is more interestinhg. (avari elves, dwarves from east, khand and maybe a hildorian faction.

To the orcannies mountains.

[Descendent of Kings]

To the orcannies mountains.

The whole idea definitely intrigues me (I've heard so little about that area I'm curious to know more), but though they quite possibly have been involved in the war of the ring (as far as I know, no involvement at all), it would have likely more been in the form of supporting Rhun or Mordor with supplies and MAYBE some troops but not likely. Though very interesting, their involvement in the war of the ring was so miniscule (if at all) their place in this mod doesn't really fit, being that it's based off of the war of the ring. Definitely more fitting for a submod.

[GueulEclator]

unfortunatly, I think is impossible to see an expansion of the middle earth in the south at short-term. If you want another evilk faction in the south, i think we must add another good faction. I think is an expansion in the east is more interestinhg. (avari elves, dwarves from east, khand and maybe a hildorian faction.

To the orcannies mountains.

Yeah avari elves and orcani would be very interresting to see.







I also think that the avari could be very advanced faction, maybe comparable to the noldor. Of course, they never went in valinor and never learned what the noldor learned there, BUT as opposed to the other elves who always migrated, they stayed in the same place for thousands of year so they could have had the time to build powerfull empires that remained unmoved as opposed to beleriant. Those thousands of year of stability would have made them very rich and permit them to focus on development more than any other elven faction.
SO in the end, while some elves saw the light of valinor, the avari had STABILITY, so they could have very old realm that benefits from thousands years of unstopped development.

[Descendent of Kings]

I heard there was even a queen from those unknown black numenorean realm (it was stated she was not from umbar i think) that married a king of gondor.
It was the infamous queen with the strange cat if i remember.

I'm pretty certain she was from Umbar, for sure part of the rebel numenorians. Even still, not enough to build a faction farther south though. It'd be pointless, Harad already only fights Gondor and can do it without having to ferry troops by sea. Who would this faction fight?

[Lazy]

Angmar of course

[Spartan777]

To be honest I'm 50/50 of the idea and I don't think it will happen except perhaps in submods as I think KK wants to enhance and perfect what is already on the table rather than extending said table ; ).

If you where going to add 2 factions I would go with splitting the Dwarves into two factions as in FROME and then to balance things up you would need an evil faction which I don't feel I'm lore literate enough to have an opinion on. But lore aside for a minute, I'd go with a third orkish faction to replace the land Mordor currently holds on it's northern borders, starting with the dead marshes and up to and including Dol Guldur which I feel is a little seperate from Mordor's main sphere.

[Beregond]

Splitting the Silvan Elves is a must.

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and see old Umbar thread

[Spartan777]

I mean a foruth Orcish facion! Obviously! ; )

[Bob Doad]

angmar and silvian elves split whoop whoop
ewww khay dont be logical

[Valandur]

How about a Lossoth faction?
They get those two settlements along Forochel, can build a new unit every 25 turns, their unit roster consists of 2 units, Lossoth Icemen and Lossoth Skaters. They are unable to interact with any other faction, their settlement growth is 0.5% and their only building they can construct is an Igloo. They must continue to construct more Igloos as their settlement grows larger, so we're talking a new Igloo every hundred turns or so. If the player does not build Igloos, his population will decrease 50% per turn due to many of them freezing to death.
Lossoth cannot trade with anyone therefore they gain no income that way, their faction leader is unaware of what taxes are therefore they do not get any money from that, their King's Purse is 100 per turn which will barely get them by.
The Lossoth Victory Conditions are:
The destruction of OoG, OotMM, Eriador, Dwarves, High Elves, Silvan Elves, Dale, Gondor, Rohan, Mordor, Rhun and Harad. The player must also control all of Rhovanion, Misty Mountains, Eriador, Rohan, Gondor, Mordor, Rhun and Harad.

If the AI plays as the Lossoth, they stack spam like crazy, averaging around 10 units per turn with no upkeep whatsoever (Lossoth are unaware of the existance of currency) basically allowing the Lossoth to become some invincible war machine which will immediately declare war on every faction in the game. Their males come to manhood at age 8 and you can marry of their females from age 6 basically meaning they'll have about 50 Generals by Turn 20. If you conquer the Lossoth, you must keep a full stack in both of their starting settlements. If you have one less, the public order will drop to 0% and the settlement will rebel next turn allowing the Lossoth to re-emerge with 8 full stacks of Lossoth Icemen. You cannot get Trade Rights with the Lossoth, you cannot Ceasefire or Ally with them, however if you pay them enough gold they'll give you both their settlements, only for them to rebel the very next turn. Complicated faction, huh? Also, the Lossoth will exterminate every single city/castle they capture, they will destroy all the buildings inside and will spam Assassins to execute all your Generals and Agents.

[Æsir]

I also believe Silvans should be divided into two factions.

[Khay]

Seriously just let KK polish/fix/improve whatever he may want to in the existing factions before starting asking for the addition of new ones.
That kind of stuff should go to the Suggestion thread, with a polite, well documented and explained post about how awesome it would be to include this or this faction into vanilla and what it would add to the game experience. Those polls will bring you nowhere.

[KingOfDale]

Maybe more "evil men" faction like Umbar or Khand would be nice.

[Malinwa]

Lorien fcourse...

[Qba]

Umbar, the pirate nation!