Resisting the green dragon the religous and spiritual beliefs of radical enviromentalism.

[MathiasOfAthens]

[total relism]

wrong topic as well as i replied to video in full last creation vs evolution thread. Not to mention these people have either been defeated in debate or refused, this is not on topic or even a link to a debate.

[MathiasOfAthens]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Dr. Scott Denning VS. Dr. Roy Spencer .

A balanced respectful climate science debate at last.

July 7, 2011: Scott Denning, PhD, Professor of Atmospheric Science, Colorado State University (supporting the dangerous anthropogenic global warming hypothesis) VS. Roy Spencer, PhD, Principal Research Scientist, University of Alabama in Huntsville (opposing the hypothesis).

From an atheist, satanist website: TED.com



More:
http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/al_...te_crisis.html

http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/jam...te_change.html

[total relism]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Dr. Scott Denning VS. Dr. Roy Spencer .

A balanced respectful climate science debate at last.

July 7, 2011: Scott Denning, PhD, Professor of Atmospheric Science, Colorado State University (supporting the dangerous anthropogenic global warming hypothesis) VS. Roy Spencer, PhD, Principal Research Scientist, University of Alabama in Huntsville (opposing the hypothesis).

From an atheist, satanist website: TED.com



More:
http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/al_...te_crisis.html

http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/jam...te_change.html

Mathias thank you very much for debate link I shall watch it im truly amazed thank you

[total relism]

I don't see how that is at all a bad thing. The gods are tied intimately into the fabric of nature and the world around us.
I honestly don't get what's wrong about thi-


Oh, right. Those guys.

I dont either if I am a pagan or nature worshipper, I am not, I see you are one of them you belive as you said gods, so you belive in many gods, witch were know back to ancent roman or preislamic times of multiple dieties. You than claim nature is god or god is in nature,that is why you agree with these people your worldview agrees with there religous beliefs.

Pantheism is the view that the Universe (Nature) and God (or divinity) are identical.[1] Pantheists thus do not believe in a personal, anthropomorphic or creator god. The word derives from the Greek (pan) meaning "all" and the Greek (theos) meaning "God". As such, Pantheism denotes the idea that "God" is best seen as a process of relating to the Universe.[2] Although there are divergences within Pantheism, the central ideas found in almost all versions are the Cosmos as an all-encompassing unity and the sacredness of Nature

and that is why you would be willing to make policies and control people lives and life itself all for your higherpower of nature.

wow thanks for posting,max lets see how what i have said they are ancient pagans proves true,look at max religous beleifs he worships many gods including as major gods.

Pan (Greek: Πᾶν, Pān), in Greek religion and mythology, is the god of the wild, shepherds and flocks, nature, of mountain wilds, hunting and rustic music, as well as the companion of the nymphs.[1] His name originates within the Ancient Greek language, from the word paein (πάειν), meaning "to pasture."[2] He has the hindquarters, legs, and horns of a goat, in the same manner as a faun or satyr. With his homeland in rustic Arcadia, he is recognized as the god of fields, groves, and wooded glens; because of this, Pan is connected to fertility and the season of spring. The ancient Greeks also considered Pan to be the god of theatrical criticism.[3]
In Roman religion and myth, Pan's counterpart was Faunus, a nature god who was the father of Bona Dea, sometimes identified as Fauna. In the 18th and 19th centuries, Pan became a significant figure in the Romantic movement of western Europe, and also in the 20th-century Neopagan movement.[4]

Hecate
, Greek goddess of the three paths, guardian of the household, protector of everything newly born, and the goddess of witchcraft -- once a widely revered and influential goddess, the reputation of Hecate has been tarnished over the centuries. In current times, she is usually depicted as a "hag" or old witch stirring the cauldron.
But nothing could be further from the image of Hecate's original glory.
A beautiful and powerful goddess in her own right, the Greek goddess Hecate was the only one of the ancient Titans who Zeus allowed to retain their authority once the Olympians seized control. Zeus shared with Hecate, and only her, the awesome power of giving humanity anything she wished (or withholding it if she pleased).
Usually classified as a "moon goddess", her kingdoms were actually three-fold . . . the earth, sea, and sky. Having the power to create or withhold storms undoubtedly played a role in making her the goddess who was the protector of shepherds and sailors



notice she has power over storms,I told you mother earth would punish us for misbeahiving and not taken care of nature I mean divine beings.

however I just made this post so people will understand [if they watch the videos] why it is the radical evirometalist are the way we are, what they plan to acomplish and how it will effect people on earth. To show the religous and spiritual beliefs of these people and how it is a religon.

I could say the same thing to pagan diety nature worshippers oh those guys

Was this why you posted in the first place?

And did you manage to lure anyone into your cult?

because it is on the cd and second part not reason for posting, but to show beliefs of these people such as post above.

[Logios]

because it is on the cd and second part not reason for posting, but to show beliefs of these people such as post above.

No need for facepalms here. I think it is perfectly acceptable to hold you accountable for the content of those disks (including headlines) since you are such an eager proponent of them - had you presented them with a tiny bit of neutrality it would have been another matter.

topics of dvd

1. The False World View of the Green Movement Dr. E. Calvin Belsner
2. Rescuing People from the Cult of the Green Dragon Dr. Peter Jones
3. Logos vs. Mysticism: Environmentalism's Flight from Reason Dr. Vishal Mangalwadi
4. From Captain Planet to Avatar: The Seduction of Our Youth Dr. Michael Farris
5. A Brief History of Environmental Exaggerations, Myths and Downright Lies Dr. Steven Hayward
6. Putting Out the Dragon's Fire on Global Warming Dr. David Legates
7. How "Going Green" Impoverishes You, Your Church, and Your Society Hon. Becky Dunlop
8. Ravaging the World's Poor Dr. James Tonkowich
9. The Green Face of the Pro-Death Agenda: Population Control, Abortion and Euthanasia Dr. Charmaine Yoest
10. Threats to Liberty and the Move Toward a Global Government Dr. E. Calvin Beisner
11. A Biblical Guide to Genuine Creation Stewardship Dr. James Tonkowich
12. Go Therefore and Make Disciples: Advancing the Gospel in a World Permeated by Environmentalism Dr. Peter Jones

Doing the OP seems very much inspired by that point 12, and I could easily picture you having been given the assignment by the leader of your local independant church (your "cult") to spread the message to your assigned group of potential believers (your segment my child: Strategy game forums). Now you might find that since I don't know you that was quite an assumption, but considering those made by you:

many in the movment want the worlds poulation reduced to around half a million,

in africa they could build dams for energy etc that would save millions of lives and bring people out of poverty, but the green dragon [radical enviromentalist] wont allow that to happen because it would effect the enviroment so they stay poor and many die.

they wish for global goverment they wish to control almost every aspect of your life (...) They want to control people outlets in there home and shut off electricity when we have used our alotted amount.

You than claim nature is god or god is in nature,that is why you agree with these people your worldview agrees with there religous beliefs.


and that is why you would be willing to make policies and control people lives and life itself all for your higherpower of nature.

my assumption of your motives would hardly measure on the scale on prejudice compared to those qoutations.
And what do you mean by this (and you?) not being paranoid:

I see you are one of them

As you might find from other posts, I am also one of "Them" which (spelled correctly, did you misspell intentionally in the top of that ctrl+c/v wall?) is also why I find both those dvd's and your general cheering of them to be both offensive and hateful. I am not oftenly put forward as a scapegoat for all problems in the world since mostly the general public does not take much notice of gentile believer groups, but I guess it will be everyones turn eventually.
Let me hazard some guesses of the headlines of the sequel of these dvd's:
1 - Freemasons behind the enviromentalist movements
2 - Here is the evidence that eco-terrorists shot JFK
3 - Elvis is alive and kept hostage on permanent life support until the world is reforested
4 - The green party makes reading gay pornography printed on recycled paper for at least one hour mandatory for all citizens
5 - Throw a gum wrapper on the street and they will come and cut your hand off.
All authored by a diploma-mill "doctor"

nothing to do with topic

Everything to do with topic: One paranoid conspiracy theory, two paranoid conspiracy theories

Where I am from (Denmark, Europe) one of the first and also most radical environmental groups was called NOAH (as in preserve the species). During the COP15 climate summit in Copenhagen the bells of the churches of The Peoples Church (85% of danes members here) was ringing for action to be taken against climate change. Tell me: Is there also a christian eco-conspiracy going in parallel to that pagan eco-conspiracy you believe in?

[Logios]

you may just be a person with to much time on your hands posting on a forum like me .

A sense of humor at least, rare here on EMM. TWC is pretty good for procrastination I think.

not sure what your saying here at all, im prejudice aginst pagan and nature worshippers? i dont mean to hide that if you think I am I dont agree with them.

I feel we have a poor line of communication here. It may be me, with english being my second language, but I could not make any sense out of that sentence. If you could review what you qouted me for it was a list of some of the more outrageus claims you made in both the OP and other posts.

you people know alot about dvd you have never seen,usally conspiracyhave no evidence and are guess work no? if that is all dvds were you would be correct,but when they use the radical envirometlais own material and own words how is that still a conspiracy? how do you know something is conspiracy if you have not seen it? is your statement than a conspiracy aginst these dvds you have never seen yet make claims about?
Your second question a disk is deovted to this alone.

I really do not feel I need to acces any of that material, your description and the headlines were more than adequate. There is really no need to see when you can smell it. And if any serious criticism of the environmental movements should somehow be included on those dvd's (much is due, sure) another (non-insane) source is certainly preferred, as something lying next to is likely to have on it. I would not even use those disks as frisbees (I don't litter on the beach btw).
As to that whole "Green Dragon" image; I find it saddening that so many people need to define scapegoats to place the blame for the problems of the world (real or imaginary) rather than accepting that we all have a responsibility, and that the world is not perfect in spite of any ideals that can be adhered to. The various enviromentalist movements are certainly not without scapegoatism as pharmaceutical companies, the industry in general or the general capitalist economy is often wrongly blamed - even for wanting to control peoples lives and limit freedom. Scapegoatism is however more prevalent in the monotheistic religions and in totalitarian ideologies (in the SU many problems were blamed on the "counterarevolutionaires"), with "The Devil" as the ultimate form of this. With my meagre knowledge of the bible I have not stumbled upon a description of the physical form of the devil, but I doubt that the medieval collage of the gods of various opposing religions would fit anything written there. In the late middle ages and the renaissance scapegoatism took a really ugly turn with the witchhunts and hunts for heretics and other non-conforming groups. The belief in the devil, "evil" and conspiracies against church and society was the root causes for this. (Well it was you who "randomly" chose to post descriptions of Pan and Hecate with no explanation for exactly those two)
I am well aware that no-one wakes up one morning deciding to blame this and that group for this and that, but you must understand that the driving force here is fear. Fear of those different than ourselves, fear that they will rob us of our possesions, values or even lives, fear that all this will happen if no pre-emptive action is taken.
Believing that my religious group (less than 1000 members) is pulling the strings of huge well-organized environmentalist organizations (100K+for just one here in Denmark) is downright absurd, we are seldomly organized enough to plan who brings potato salad for the after-ritual barbeque. Fortunately someone always brews enough mead.
I dare you to be brave TR. Brave enough to believe that we are 7 billion individuals here on earth, and none of us are in a conspiracy against any of the rest, that people around the world can make up their own minds about bridges and dams for their own reasons, and that no "Green Dragon" is controlling them. Brave enough to believe that there is no such thing as "The Devil" and that realizing this will cost you absolutely nothing in regards to your conviction to Jesus Christ (I presume). Brave enough to realize that no "evil people" exists, only frightened people, and that by embrazing bravery you can.... Oh finish the rest yourself, I am too tired for this, goodnight.

[MaximiIian]

I see you are one of them you believe as you said gods, so you believe in many gods

This is something that is well-known about me on these parts. Do you have a point, or are you just stating the obvious and regurgitating what I said?

You than claim nature is god or god is in nature, that is why you agree with these people your world view agrees with their religious beliefs.

Most of the environmentalist crowd are not of my religion, most are probably some loose kind of Christian. Though some are irreligious pantheists. I, in all likelihood, do not agree with their religious beliefs. And if I happened to, so what? If their religious beliefs inspire them to do good in the world, by advocating for the protection and conservation of our planet, and they don't try to foist their religious opinions on others, then what's the problem?

Pantheism is...SNIP...
Pantheists thus do not believe in a personal creator god.

Which, since I'm a polytheist, has little to do with me. It has some, since I view the gods as semi-pantheistic parts of the universe. But I also view them each as individual, personal beings.

and that is why you would be willing to make policies and control people lives and life itself all for your higher power of nature.

I'm willing to advocate environmentalist policies because protecting our environment and biosphere is critical for our sustained existence as a species. It is in our best interest to protect our ecosystem. And it is the morally good thing to do, providing for the benefit of all people, including ourselves.

I have religious reasons for personally doing my part in protecting the environment and conserving resources. But that is separate from my political advocacy, which is based on morality and rationalism.

look at max religous beleifs he worships many gods including as major gods.
SNIP

Again, do you have a point? Or are you just randomly quoting wikipedia for no reason?

[total relism]

No need for facepalms here. I think it is perfectly acceptable to hold you accountable for the content of those disks (including headlines) since you are such an eager proponent of them - had you presented them with a tiny bit of neutrality it would have been another matter.
?

only certain questions deserve the facepalm such as your last,what do you mean hold me acountable? to what and for what? posting all the talks on the CD? Here I could use another facepalm lol

Doing the OP seems very much inspired by that point 12, and I could easily picture you having been given the assignment by the leader of your local independant church (your "cult") to spread the message to your assigned group of potential believers (your segment my child: Strategy game forums). Now you might find that since I don't know you that was quite an assumption, but considering those made by you:

true you can imagine naything you want to imagine, I could imagine your a radical envirometalis sent by the EPA to try and smear anything that gets in your agendas way, or im someone who found those dvds very intersting and was concerned by the worldview of some people and there view of human life and there wants to control my life and there goals for society. you may just be a person with to much time on your hands posting on a forum like me.

my assumption of your motives would hardly measure on the scale on prejudice compared to those qoutations.
And what do you mean by this (and you?) not being paranoid:

not sure what your saying here at all, im prejudice aginst pagan and nature worshippers? i dont mean to hide that if you think I am I dont agree with them.

As you might find from other posts, I am also one of "Them" which (spelled correctly, did you misspell intentionally in the top of that ctrl+c/v wall?) is also why I find both those dvd's and your general cheering of them to be both offensive and hateful. I am not oftenly put forward as a scapegoat for all problems in the world since mostly the general public does not take much notice of gentile believer groups, but I guess it will be everyones turn eventually.
Let me hazard some guesses of the headlines of the sequel of these dvd's:
1 - Freemasons behind the enviromentalist movements
2 - Here is the evidence that eco-terrorists shot JFK
3 - Elvis is alive and kept hostage on permanent life support until the world is reforested
4 - The green party makes reading gay pornography printed on recycled paper for at least one hour mandatory for all citizens
5 - Throw a gum wrapper on the street and they will come and cut your hand off.
All authored by a diploma-mill "doctor"

Everything to do with topic: One paranoid conspiracy theory, two paranoid conspiracy theories

Where I am from (Denmark, Europe) one of the first and also most radical environmental groups was called NOAH (as in preserve the species). During the COP15 climate summit in Copenhagen the bells of the churches of The Peoples Church (85% of danes members here) was ringing for action to be taken against climate change. Tell me: Is there also a christian eco-conspiracy going in parallel to that pagan eco-conspiracy you believe in?

you people know alot about dvd you have never seen,usally conspiracyhave no evidence and are guess work no? if that is all dvds were you would be correct,but when they use the radical envirometlais own material and own words how is that still a conspiracy? how do you know something is conspiracy if you have not seen it? is your statement than a conspiracy aginst these dvds you have never seen yet make claims about?
Your second question a disk is deovted to this alone.