The Council of Carthage - Redux!

[Velico]

@Ferdiad
@Dvk: Thanks chaps. I'll make do with the ship yards of Carthage until the next patch!

@Velico: You've trumped me with the third front! I've not even peeked at the Greek mainland yet. How are you finding your battles against the Greeks? Troops from euhesperides marched on and captured Lepcis Magna in my campaign. I had to have Hannibal sail down there, recapture the city and proceed up the coast to capture their settlement. Very distracting when he was preparing for a campaign against Sardinia and Corsica.

It was not my intention I swear! The Greeks have been pretty easy so far. They're at war with Macedonia and Sparta, so they have just one full stack running around the Greek mainland from what I've seen. I removed the fow to see what else they had and there were 4 full stacks up in Thrace! Crazy, I don't know why they're up there, they're not at war with Scythia or the Dacians so their stacks are just hanging out. They took Lepcis Magna from me as well but I was already en route to retrain and sent them to take it back first.

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I've conquered around two thirds of of Iberia now and had to fight tooth and nail for every inch. The Gallaeci have been severely weakened by the loss of several large pitch battles and the loss of two of their settlements to me. They were close to being completely crushed until the Arverni (curse them) my Gaulish allies, marched a stack on Saguntum! I've been at peace and allied with the arverni since I started my campaign in Iberia. I captured Emporiae early on and gifted it to them to cement an alliance and a secure border. Now it looks like I'll have to take it back from these unworthy gauls. Their treachery also cost me my alliances with the Macedonians and Ptolomies as they both chose to keep their pacts with the traiterous Gauls.

Yeah the Gallaeci are tough once they build up. They've been my allies for some time now, and haven't probed my lines so I'm not worried about them for now. They keep taking Lemonum (sp?) from the Arverni. Those treacherous Arverni, I had an alliance with them as well and they backstabbed me at Emporiae. To the English Channel with them I say!

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I think I've made a big mistake in not tackling the rebel settlement of Tingi earlier on. It's now swarming with experienced stacks! I've three field armies, two in Iberia and Hannibals in Africa and not sure if I can gather the resources to take down these rebel forces. They patrol their province but haven't made any aggressive moves so far.

Wow! That certainly is a lot of rebels hanging out there isn't it. Get yourself some cheap units that can hold the line and some elephants and libyan/libyphoenician cavalry. A lot of times you can stand just on their side of the border and they'll only send a stack at a time. Sometimes this backfires though and you have to end up fighting all of them either at the same time or in rapid succession.

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This is somewhat on-topic, but have you read, "Carthage Must Be Destroyed" by Richard Miles? I just picked it up and am only about 50 pages in, but it seems pretty informative and intriguing. I don't particularly like his wording sometimes though, it seems overly convoluted and sometimes unnecessary. He uses the word "indeed" three times in one paragraph! I can't say if I recommend it or not yet, but so far it's an interesting read and one of the few comprehensive studies done on the Carthaginians starting way back with the Phoenicians leaving the Levantine due to Assyrian pressure.

[El Crumb]

It was not my intention I swear! The Greeks have been pretty easy so far. They're at war with Macedonia and Sparta, so they have just one full stack running around the Greek mainland from what I've seen. I removed the fow to see what else they had and there were 4 full stacks up in Thrace! Crazy, I don't know why they're up there, they're not at war with Scythia or the Dacians so their stacks are just hanging out. They took Lepcis Magna from me as well but I was already en route to retrain and sent them to take it back first.

Hmm, Have they lost Athens or are the just lost? I'm wondering if they've moved their capital north and that's why the stacks are there. Or perhaps it's just Greek wanderlust. I've seen little of them since I captured Syracuse and the Greek city in Africa. Although, I am considering a naval invasion of Messalia which looks to be lightly defended and would be an excellent colony for Carthage.

Yeah the Gallaeci are tough once they build up. They've been my allies for some time now, and haven't probed my lines so I'm not worried about them for now. They keep taking Lemonum (sp?) from the Arverni. Those treacherous Arverni, I had an alliance with them as well and they backstabbed me at Emporiae. To the English Channel with them I say!

A most excellent suggestion! I had hoped to stir up trouble between the two nations to take some of the pressure off my forces in Iberia but instead they formed an alliance against me, the rotters! Still, apart from stretching my lines somewhat, the Arverni were repulsed and the Gallaeci have been completely destroyed. Hasdrubal and Mago defeated all their armies and sacked all but one of their towns before the faction leader was trapped inside the last settlement and killed when his forces sallied.

Iberia is finally at peace after thirty years of fighting. Profits flow across the land and the cities grow and prosper under Carthaginian rule. The Arverni have settled on peace terms for now and my border with them is now well fortified.

Sadly, Hasdrubal (FL) was killed in a riot in the old Gallaeci capital, he was old and ready to retire and while worshipped by his troops and the nobles had become hated by the people. In the same year the great Hannibal; sacker of Rome and northern Italy, victorious in Iberia, Africa and Sicily, passed away peacefully in Carthage.

Wow! That certainly is a lot of rebels hanging out there isn't it. Get yourself some cheap units that can hold the line and some elephants and libyan/libyphoenician cavalry. A lot of times you can stand just on their side of the border and they'll only send a stack at a time. Sometimes this backfires though and you have to end up fighting all of them either at the same time or in rapid succession.

I impressed myself with defeating all those stacks with just one of my own and with minimal casualties. It was Hannibal and his veterans, who by now had all sorts of combat and morale boosters and really tore the rebels to pieces.

This is somewhat on-topic, but have you read, "Carthage Must Be Destroyed" by Richard Miles? I just picked it up and am only about 50 pages in, but it seems pretty informative and intriguing. I don't particularly like his wording sometimes though, it seems overly convoluted and sometimes unnecessary. He uses the word "indeed" three times in one paragraph! I can't say if I recommend it or not yet, but so far it's an interesting read and one of the few comprehensive studies done on the Carthaginians starting way back with the Phoenicians leaving the Levantine due to Assyrian pressure.

I wasn't aware of it before now but I've been checking out the reviews on Amazon and it looks a pretty solid read. I believe mr Miles is an academic and so his prose may be a little on the dry side but I'll check it out all the same. I would recommend the fall of Carthage by Adrian Goldsworthy:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Fall-Carthag...der_0304366420

I read it a few years ago and it gives a great insight into all three punic wars. I may just reorder a copy actually, I'm sure I left my original back in my Glasgow flat.

I find it quite odd that you would take most of Iberia and not deal with Cirta until it is very strong. Cirta is basically a home region, so lol.

Yea, it wasn't planned that way, but with war in Italy and in Spain my resources were stretched as far as they'd go. I decided early on that Cirta was not a priority as their was little to no risk of the rebels attacking outside of the province and/or of another faction capturing it for themselves. It would always still be there when I could muster the forces to take it.

Hey fellow Carthage Lovers!!
Haven't touched roma surrectum in a while but this has encouraged me to take up the banner of Carthage again, ill update my campaign once it gets interesting.

Quick Question though, have any of you left rome alone so that they can get the Marian Reforms? I want a real challenge and want to face a couple of late legions.

Go Carthage! I'm as pleased as punch that more people are getting into this faction and can't wait to hear how your campaigns go!

I'm not giving the Romans the chance to hit the Marion reforms in this campaign of mine. I've already taken Akragas from them and they don't look like taking it back anytime soon. In my last game with Sparta I encountered half a dozen late legions and every battle with them was a Pyhrric victory for me. they are so hard to kill and really dish out punishment, so I wasn't looking forward to pitting them against my Carthaginians. That's just me though.

[RafoutRoud]

I find it quite odd that you would take most of Iberia and not deal with Cirta until it is very strong. Cirta is basically a home region, so lol.

[Velico]

I do that sometimes as well, but it's generally when I'm at war with a major faction. My mindset is, "well, they won't attack, but this other faction will, so I need to deal with them first." I've lost track (especially in my Spartan campaign ) of Argos and Olympia and they had 2 or 3 stacks at each place because I rampaged through Greece and into Macedonia and Thrace.

[El Crumb]

Just a quick update on my campaign.

Sicily is mine! Syracuse has fallen to Hannibals army. It's walls were stormed with the aid of powerful siege towers and its gates opened by our spies. In truth Syracuse was lightly defended; three units of thorakitai and one of royal guard. Little match for Hannibals veterans. Slaves have been taken for transportation to our colonies and rebuilding has begun. Their have been no further Roman attacks on the island of Sicily. They are occupied with another war against the Boii. On defeating Syracuse I released Hannibals Gaulish merceneries and provided transport for them to the shores of Italy. They at once sieged the nearest town who's garrisoned sallied and were defeated. The Gauls were then able to occupy and loot the town, burning down the Roman barracks, before heading down the road with their loot.

The battle for Iberia grows ever bloodier. Gadir was taken by the Galleaci and it's inhabitants enslaved. The enemy then marched on New Carthage, Bakir and Saguntum. Hasdrubal's army defeated one horde of the barbarians before capturing Numancia through siege. This walled city will provide a forward bastion against the foe. Troops from New Carthage now man its walls and await the Iberians counter-assault. Having marched back to relieve the siege of New Carthage and resupply his men, Hasdrubal has carried the fight back to Gadir. Freshly raised troops from Tingi arrived just in time for a battle between one of the sons of the Galleaci chief leading a large stack attack against Hasdrubal. It was another ferocious encounter and though bloodied my combined forces drove the foe from the field. The route to Gadir lays open but even now more Galleaci warriors appear against the horizon. I doubt they've given up yet!

[Ferdiad]

From Carthage campaign

                recruit "naval boat"  0  requires factions { slave, barbarian, nomad, }  and hidden_resource naval
                recruit "naval large boat"  0  requires factions { slave, barbarian, nomad, }  and hidden_resource naval
                recruit "naval bireme"  0  requires factions { carthage, }  and hidden_resource naval
                recruit "naval trireme"  0  requires factions { carthage, }  and hidden_resource naval
                recruit "naval bireme"  0  requires factions { eastern, }  and hidden_resource naval
                recruit "naval trireme"  0  requires factions { eastern, }  and hidden_resource naval
                recruit "naval bireme"  0  requires factions { egyptian, }  and hidden_resource naval
                recruit "naval trireme"  0  requires factions { egyptian, }  and hidden_resource naval
                recruit "naval bireme"  0  requires factions { greek, }  and hidden_resource naval
                recruit "naval trireme"  0  requires factions { greek, }  and hidden_resource naval
                recruit "naval bireme"  0  requires factions { roman, }  and hidden_resource naval
                recruit "naval trireme"  0  requires factions { romans_brutii, }  and hidden_resource naval

1 turn Campaign

                recruit "naval boat"  0  requires factions { slave, barbarian, nomad, }  and hidden_resource naval
                recruit "naval large boat"  0  requires factions { slave, barbarian, nomad, }  and hidden_resource naval
                recruit "naval bireme"  0  requires factions { carthage, }  and hidden_resource naval and not hidden_resource area3 and hidden_resource r6
                recruit "naval trireme"  0  requires factions { carthage, }  and hidden_resource naval and not hidden_resource area3 and hidden_resource r6
                recruit "naval bireme"  0  requires factions { eastern, }  and hidden_resource naval
                recruit "naval trireme"  0  requires factions { eastern, }  and hidden_resource naval
                recruit "naval bireme"  0  requires factions { egyptian, }  and hidden_resource naval
                recruit "naval trireme"  0  requires factions { egyptian, }  and hidden_resource naval
                recruit "naval bireme"  0  requires factions { greek, }  and hidden_resource naval
                recruit "naval trireme"  0  requires factions { greek, }  and hidden_resource naval
                recruit "naval bireme"  0  requires factions { roman, }  and hidden_resource naval
                recruit "naval trireme"  0  requires factions { romans_brutii, }  and hidden_resource naval

[El Crumb]

From Carthage campaign

                recruit "naval boat"  0  requires factions { slave, barbarian, nomad, }  and hidden_resource naval
                recruit "naval large boat"  0  requires factions { slave, barbarian, nomad, }  and hidden_resource naval
                recruit "naval bireme"  0  requires factions { carthage, }  and hidden_resource naval
                recruit "naval trireme"  0  requires factions { carthage, }  and hidden_resource naval
                recruit "naval bireme"  0  requires factions { eastern, }  and hidden_resource naval
                recruit "naval trireme"  0  requires factions { eastern, }  and hidden_resource naval
                recruit "naval bireme"  0  requires factions { egyptian, }  and hidden_resource naval
                recruit "naval trireme"  0  requires factions { egyptian, }  and hidden_resource naval
                recruit "naval bireme"  0  requires factions { greek, }  and hidden_resource naval
                recruit "naval trireme"  0  requires factions { greek, }  and hidden_resource naval
                recruit "naval bireme"  0  requires factions { roman, }  and hidden_resource naval
                recruit "naval trireme"  0  requires factions { romans_brutii, }  and hidden_resource naval

1 turn Campaign

                recruit "naval boat"  0  requires factions { slave, barbarian, nomad, }  and hidden_resource naval
                recruit "naval large boat"  0  requires factions { slave, barbarian, nomad, }  and hidden_resource naval
                recruit "naval bireme"  0  requires factions { carthage, }  and hidden_resource naval and not hidden_resource area3 and hidden_resource r6
                recruit "naval trireme"  0  requires factions { carthage, }  and hidden_resource naval and not hidden_resource area3 and hidden_resource r6
                recruit "naval bireme"  0  requires factions { eastern, }  and hidden_resource naval
                recruit "naval trireme"  0  requires factions { eastern, }  and hidden_resource naval
                recruit "naval bireme"  0  requires factions { egyptian, }  and hidden_resource naval
                recruit "naval trireme"  0  requires factions { egyptian, }  and hidden_resource naval
                recruit "naval bireme"  0  requires factions { greek, }  and hidden_resource naval
                recruit "naval trireme"  0  requires factions { greek, }  and hidden_resource naval
                recruit "naval bireme"  0  requires factions { roman, }  and hidden_resource naval
                recruit "naval trireme"  0  requires factions { romans_brutii, }  and hidden_resource naval

Not too sure what I'm looking at here. Can anyone advise?

[Velico]

Not too sure what I'm looking at here. Can anyone advise?

and not hidden_resource area3 and hidden_resource r6
This line of code is different from the 0-turn. I think it means that there are extra requirements to recruit the bireme/trireme for the Carthaginians. Why, I haven't a clue.

[Ferdiad]

and not hidden_resource area3 and hidden_resource r6
This line of code is different from the 0-turn. I think it means that there are extra requirements to recruit the bireme/trireme for the Carthaginians. Why, I haven't a clue.

This.

[El Crumb]

This.

Is?

[Guga]

Not too sure what I'm looking at here. Can anyone advise?

That is pretty easy to fix:
1. Find a file called export_descr_buildings.txt in your 1 turn campaign folder.
2. Open it with Notepad++.
3. Find the line:

recruit "naval bireme" 0 requires factions { carthage, } and hidden_resource naval and not hidden_resource area3 and hidden_resource r6

now you can either place a ";" like that:

recruit "naval bireme" 0 requires factions { carthage, } and hidden_resource naval; and not hidden_resource area3 and hidden_resource r6

or just delete the extra requirements so the line will look like that:

recruit "naval bireme" 0 requires factions { carthage, } and hidden_resource naval

Do that to other line as well and to the higher tiers of the Shipiard buliding as well.
Save changes and you can recruit ships from every Shipyard.

[Hans Von Luck]

Velico and El Crumb, thanks for the encouragement; actually I kind of like the Carthagian campaign. I'll say this for it: I've never appreciated slingers this much! This is the only campaign in which I've had my slingers hurl every last stone and then been asked to charge engaged exhausted cohorts.


I've never had units gain so much experience in so few turns as I did with Hannibal's army. When I lost three 5+ experienced infantry units in a desperate melee before escaping Italy, I felt the game should at least let me erect a monument to their sacrifice back in Carthage (just joking).


Overall, I think it's historically accurate, in that without massive reinforcement, there's no way Hannibal can conquer Italy, but he can make things painful for them for a decade or so. I just wish Hannibal had thought to bring along a few upgraded archers on his march over the Alps.

[El Crumb]

Velico and El Crumb, thanks for the encouragement; actually I kind of like the Carthagian campaign. I'll say this for it: I've never appreciated slingers this much! This is the only campaign in which I've had my slingers hurl every last stone and then been asked to charge engaged exhausted cohorts.

You're welcome! It's been great to hear people getting enthusiastic about Carthage again. Yea, slingers have been an ever-present for me too. I don't think I've used any archers in combat yet!

I've never had units gain so much experience in so few turns as I did with Hannibal's army. When I lost three 5+ experienced infantry units in a desperate melee before escaping Italy, I felt the game should at least let me erect a monument to their sacrifice back in Carthage (just joking).

Ah, but you can! Build a monument stand in Carthage and you can then choose to build a warrior memorial. The modders have thought of everything see! I'm going to build a monument to Hannibal when he passes to the other side, something for the good people of Carthage to remember him by.

[Brusilov]

@RafoutRoad
If you're going to quote someone please don't increase the font size of the text to a silly degree and highlight it in red. Along with the words 'OVERKILL'. It's just a spam post and has been deleted.

[Velico]

It wasn't a spam post at all.

I think I hear the banhammer off in the distance... Provoking a moderator, never a good idea.

[Ybbon]

@Rafout The content wasn't, it may not have contributed much just saying overkill but we can live with that, however, highlighting a portion in large red letters was. And then to repeat the same, that's just pushing it. We as moderators here try not to be heavy-handed and stomp all over posts just because we may disagree with the sentiment but there are limits. Please don't do this again

[Ferdiad]

Means you cant recruit in those areas. I cba to find out why though.

[dvk901]

This will, and should be, fixed in the patch. (The ship recruiting issue.)

[Ferdiad]

In my mind its worth destroying 3 stacks of elites even if you lose the stack.

[canadian]

Hey fellow Carthage Lovers!!
Haven't touched roma surrectum in a while but this has encouraged me to take up the banner of Carthage again, ill update my campaign once it gets interesting.

Quick Question though, have any of you left rome alone so that they can get the Marian Reforms? I want a real challenge and want to face a couple of late legions.