When do you get a Citadel?

[BlackDragon1032]

When do you get acces to a Citadel ?

[Greek Firethrower]

When do you get acces to a Citadel ?

When you have a fortress and enough citiziens.

[BlackDragon1032]

I have 4 fortresses and how many citiziens do I need then?

[Greek Firethrower]

I have 4 fortresses and how many citiziens do I need then?

I'm sorry, I haven't an actual game for your question where I can look, but I you can look at yourself.
You must go with the cursor to the number of citizien and then it should show how much you need for te next city- or castle-step.

[Lazy]

If you hover your mouse over the pupulation number ( you get the needed scroll by doing a double click on the settlement ) a description pops up telling you how many citizens are needed for an upgrade!

[BlackDragon1032]

ok thx

[Aeratus]

You need 22.5k population for a Citadel.

Figuring that out is easy. Getting it is harder.

[Ferdiad]

Without 10 chiv gnerals its pretty much impossible.

[BlackDragon1032]

But how the hell are you gonna get acces to the best units in the mod?

[ShockBlast]

But how the hell are you gonna get acces to the best units in the mod?

Join crusades or make a powerful army and put a general who has some chiv lead it,fight some battles and release the enemy troops everytime,this will boost his chiv.

[buncheesy]

capture an enemy citadel or enemy fortress with enough population to be a citadel and make it a citadel.

[Aeratus]

But how the hell are you gonna get acces to the best units in the mod?

On settlements with 2.5 agriculture (Palermo, Adana, and Nicosia), you can get a citadel with a very good general. On VH, the AI will always upgrade these settlements to citadel eventually if it has enough money to make buildings, because the AI can get to 22.5k on these settlements without needing any chivalry.

On settlements with 2.0 agriculture, you can get a citadel only if you have the absolute perfect general (max chivalry, architect, max on the active builder trait). The AI can usually get a lot of citadels on these on VH.

On settlements with 1.5 agriculture, it's impossible for the player to upgrade into a citadel. The AI can on VH only if it has high chivalry generals garrisoned there.

[lampros69]

On settlements with 2.5 agriculture (Palermo, Adana, and Nicosia), you can get a citadel with a very good general. On VH, the AI will always upgrade these settlements to citadel eventually if it has enough money to make buildings, because the AI can get to 22.5k on these settlements without needing any chivalry.

On settlements with 2.0 agriculture, you can get a citadel only if you have the absolute perfect general (max chivalry, architect, max on the active builder trait). The AI can usually get a lot of citadels on these on VH.

On settlements with 1.5 agriculture, it's impossible for the player to upgrade into a citadel. The AI can on VH only if it has high chivalry generals garrisoned there.

So essentially you are only guaranteed 3 citadels in a given game? Jesus...

[Ferdiad]

Or my fav option, edit the growth rates.

[Totalwarplayer96]

Or my fav option, edit the growth rates.

My you enlighten us on where we can find these lines to edit, my good sir?

[BlackDragon1032]

I was wondering the same lad

[Mega Tortas de Bodemloze]

But how the hell are you gonna get acces to the best units in the mod?

Or my fav option, edit the growth rates.

Or use the Crusade Chivalry exploit. Clicky, clicky....

[Ferdiad]

In descr_settlement_mechanics
More means more growth

    <factor_modifiers>
        <factor name="SPF_FARMING_LEVEL">
            <pip_modifier value="1.0"/>
            <city_modifier value="1.0"/>
            <castle_modifier value="0.90"/>
        </factor>
        <factor name="SPF_FARMS_BUILT">
            <pip_modifier value="1.0"/>
        </factor>
        <factor name="SPF_HEALTH">
            <pip_modifier value="1.0"/>
            <castle_modifier value="1.0"/>
            <city_modifier value="0.8"/>
            <pip_min value="0"/>
            <pip_max value="25"/>
        </factor>

Edit Citadel to whatever you want or any other settlemnt.

    <population_levels>
        <!-- city -->
        <level name="village" base="500" upgrade="1000" min="500" max="1500"/>
        <level name="town" base="1000" upgrade="3500" min="500" max="5000"/>
        <level name="large_town" base="3500" upgrade="9500" min="500" max="12000"/>
        <level name="city" base="9500" upgrade="19500" min="500" max="25000"/>
        <level name="large_city" base="19500" upgrade="30500" min="500" max="60000"/>
        <level name="huge_city" base="30500" min="500" max="500000"/>
        <!-- castle -->
        <level name="moot_and_bailey" base="1000" upgrade="2000" min="500" max="1500"/>
        <level name="wooden_castle" base="2000" upgrade="4000" min="500" max="5000"/>
        <level name="castle" base="4000" upgrade="9500" min="500" max="10000"/>
        <level name="fortress" base="9500" upgrade="22500" min="500" max="21000"/>
        <level name="citadel" base="22500" min="500" max="30000"/>
    </population_levels>

[BlackDragon1032]

In descr_settlement_mechanics
More means more growth

    <factor_modifiers>
        <factor name="SPF_FARMING_LEVEL">
            <pip_modifier value="1.0"/>
            <city_modifier value="1.0"/>
            <castle_modifier value="0.90"/>
        </factor>
        <factor name="SPF_FARMS_BUILT">
            <pip_modifier value="1.0"/>
        </factor>
        <factor name="SPF_HEALTH">
            <pip_modifier value="1.0"/>
            <castle_modifier value="1.0"/>
            <city_modifier value="0.8"/>
            <pip_min value="0"/>
            <pip_max value="25"/>
        </factor>

Edit Citadel to whatever you want or any other settlemnt.

    <population_levels>
        <!-- city -->
        <level name="village" base="500" upgrade="1000" min="500" max="1500"/>
        <level name="town" base="1000" upgrade="3500" min="500" max="5000"/>
        <level name="large_town" base="3500" upgrade="9500" min="500" max="12000"/>
        <level name="city" base="9500" upgrade="19500" min="500" max="25000"/>
        <level name="large_city" base="19500" upgrade="30500" min="500" max="60000"/>
        <level name="huge_city" base="30500" min="500" max="500000"/>
        <!-- castle -->
        <level name="moot_and_bailey" base="1000" upgrade="2000" min="500" max="1500"/>
        <level name="wooden_castle" base="2000" upgrade="4000" min="500" max="5000"/>
        <level name="castle" base="4000" upgrade="9500" min="500" max="10000"/>
        <level name="fortress" base="9500" upgrade="22500" min="500" max="21000"/>
        <level name="citadel" base="22500" min="500" max="30000"/>
    </population_levels>

Are these original figures or the tweaked?

[Loke-Shah]

Keep an eye on good retinues and traits. Specially Architect reducing squalor -2 also Overseser is good and easy to get. Those retinues are transferbale so make sure your Hero dont die before you transfer it to another guy. high chivalry level is necesarry like other fellows mentioned.