hom must you defeat hoplites whitout rangers
can you win from hoplites
hom must you defeat hoplites whitout rangers
Re: can you win from hoplites
rangers=)arhers
Re: can you win from hoplites
whitout other hoplites
Primicerius
Re: can you win from hoplites
March head on at other infantry. Except pikemen.
Re: can you win from hoplites
i don't undertstand it
Primicerius
Re: can you win from hoplites
Understand what part? They're effective against most infantry due to their long spears, but ineffective against pikemen who have longer spears. So against most other units, just march straight forward at them.
Re: can you win from hoplites
no how must you defeat the hoplites
Primicerius
Re: can you win from hoplites
Ah my bad. Attack them from the sides, or head on with pikemen. Cavalry work particularly well. As do Roman infantrymen in particular, as their pila ignore shields when used from a side or behind.
Miles
Re: can you win from hoplites
Put one unit to their spears, preferably a strong one that wont be routed easily. Or just put a unit near their spears to tempt them, then flank. Hammer and anvil strikes are great, basically because hoplites can't turn around very quickly and drop their spears. Hammer and anvil is when you are attacking a unit from the front and charge in to their back, usually with cavalry, but if none is at hand, then just use infantry.
Semisalis
Re: can you win from hoplites
I tend to send in my weakest unit head on once i have a strong unit already moving up the flank.
All that unit does is hold them in place for 5 seconds to stop them turning round then once my flank unit is ready i shatter there line with heavy infantry charge into there backs and pull the expendable unit out until they turn to try and fight the heavy infantry then charge them back in just for that little extra shock.
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With each victory of the light, it is the dark that wins.
The dark is generous, and it is patient.
It is the dark that seeds cruelty into justice, that drips contempt into compassion, that poisons love with grains of doubt.
The dark can be patient, because the slightest drop of rain will cause those seeds to sprout.
The rain will come, and the seeds will sprout, for the dark is the soil in which they grow, and it is the clouds above them, and it waits behind the star that gives them light.
The dark’s patience is infinite.
Eventually, even stars burn out.
The dark is generous, and it is patient, and it always wins.
It always wins because it is everywhere.
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The brightest light casts the darkest shadow.
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Miles
Re: can you win from hoplites
Interesting, I tend to use strong infantry to take the line to prevent any mass routs. Doesn't usually matter who is surrounding the unit, they tend to always break. You take the opposite. I'm interested to hear your reasoning for sending in a weak unit.Originally Posted by mesor
Semisalis
Re: can you win from hoplites
I had a few experienced where i was counter charged in turn and forced to sacrifice the unit that was holding them to buy time to deal with the new threat.
So i figured better to lose 3/4 of a fodder unit then 1/2 of a strong one.
Plus since my fodder is always spears they'll still hold the enemy unit for a good 30-40 seconds most of the time which is more then enough and beyond that the stronger the unit charging there flank the more effective that charge is so i want my strong units in position for the decisive action not pinned down holding an enemy in place where there no use to me.
I always keep close watch on my men so if any are breaking i always have 2-3 reserves ready to bolster the line and my general ready to rally them.
I am the shadow, and the smoke in your eyes I am the ghost, that hides in the night.
We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France,
we shall fight on the seas and oceans,
we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be,
we shall fight on the beaches,
we shall fight on the landing grounds,
we shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
we shall fight in the hills;
we shall never surrender.
" The dark is generous.
Its first gift is concealment: our true faces lie in the dark beneath our skins, our true hearts remain shadowed deeper still. But the greatest concealment lies not in protecting our secret truths, but in hiding from the truths of others.
The dark protects us from what we dare not know.
Its second gift is comforting illusion: the ease of gentle dreams in night’s embrace, the beauty that imagination brings to what would repel in the day’s harsh light. But the greatest of its comforts is the illusion that dark is temporary: that every night brings a new day. Because it’s the day that is temporary.
Day is the illusion.
Its third gift is the light itself: as days are defined by the nights that divide them, as stars are defined by the infinite black through which they wheel, the dark embraces the light, and brings it forth from the center of its own self.
With each victory of the light, it is the dark that wins.
The dark is generous, and it is patient.
It is the dark that seeds cruelty into justice, that drips contempt into compassion, that poisons love with grains of doubt.
The dark can be patient, because the slightest drop of rain will cause those seeds to sprout.
The rain will come, and the seeds will sprout, for the dark is the soil in which they grow, and it is the clouds above them, and it waits behind the star that gives them light.
The dark’s patience is infinite.
Eventually, even stars burn out.
The dark is generous, and it is patient, and it always wins.
It always wins because it is everywhere.
It is in the wood that burns in your hearth, and in the kettle on the fire; it is under your chair and under your table and under the sheets on your bed. Walk in the midday sun, and the dark is with you, attached to the soles of your feet.
The brightest light casts the darkest shadow.
The dark is generous and it is patient and it always wins – but in the heart of its strength lies its weakness: one lone candle is enough to hold it back.
Love is more than a candle.
Love can ignite the stars."
Alpha and Omega the beginning and the end.
You began the war.
I am going to end it!
Re: can you win from hoplites
I flank with spearmen (not phanalx users...just those triarii and other) so that enemy cavalries can't stop me flanking. And if they do, they'll have to fight spearmen
I just want archers to be realistic. It's very annoying to see people who are immortal against arrows. Full Image
Protector Domesticus
Re: can you win from hoplites
Same as the others engage in the front and slam in the back... Used this to destroy the first spartan units the Greeks have in a siege and lost most of my fodder in the process.
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