Do the IRA resign Northern Ireland?

[Greek Firethrower]

Is it in the next time possible that whole Ireland become free, although the IRA made a truce?

EDIT: I didn't mean with IRA the CIRA and other forbidden organisations

[Vagn]

Is it in the next time possible that whole Ireland become free, although the IRA made a truce?

If the people of Northern Ireland want to join the republic, then they will be allowed to by the UK government, assuming the people of the Republic want them to join, which isn't necessarily the case.

[Copperknickers II]

If the people of Northern Ireland want to join the republic, then they will be allowed to by the UK government.

So you would think, but current events seem to be proving otherwise. The current British government is doing everything it possibly can to keep Scotland in the Union, harassing the SNP and making decrees, so who's to say they wouldn't do the same if N.I. voted for a Republican party?

I mean with "free", free from the UK. When you would look at a map you will see that the UK owned N. Ireland, too. In opposit of Eire, it is a own state.

So you want Northern Ireland to become independent? But the IRA do not want that, they want it to be ruled by Dublin. How is being ruled by Catholic southern Ireland any more free than being ruled by the UK?

[Greek Firethrower]

So you want Northern Ireland to become independent? But the IRA do not want that, they want it to be ruled by Dublin. How is being ruled by Catholic southern Ireland any more free than being ruled by the UK?

At first they would never overlive in the economy system.
It's the decision of the people in N. Ireland if they want to become independent or new 6 counties of Eire.
I think the catholic would feel more "free" when they are a part of the catholic Eire. But the protestantic northern Irish are also citizien of their homeland.
I would never hold the opinion of the IRA.

[Vanoi]

So you would think, but current events seem to be proving otherwise. The current British government is doing everything it possibly can to keep Scotland in the Union, harassing the SNP and making decrees, so who's to say they wouldn't do the same if N.I. voted for a Republican party?

If i am not mistaken the majority of people in Scotland do not want independence. So why should Scotland be free?

[General Brittanicus]

So you would think, but current events seem to be proving otherwise. The current British government is doing everything it possibly can to keep Scotland in the Union, harassing the SNP and making decrees, so who's to say they wouldn't do the same if N.I. voted for a Republican party?

lol what? The British government has most certainly not said that Scotland cannot go independent if the referendum gets a large enough majority in favour of independence. They have just said that the referendum has to be yay or nay - not any of this crap with DevoMax and some stuff about the date it should be held, as well as stopping Salmond from letting 16 and 17 year olds vote just because he knows he wont have enough support otherwise. Since its a decision that effect the whole of the UK I hardly see these things as problems they will stll be getting a referendum and if Scotland votes for independence they will get it.

[Copperknickers II]

If i am not mistaken the majority of people in Scotland do not want independence. So why should Scotland be free?

I don't know whether or not you are mistaken, because that's the whole point of the referendum. Nobody knows whether the majority of pepole want independence. Which is why the British government's actions are deplorable: we voted for the SNP which means at the very least we supported an independence referendum, since that is their flagship policy. We also only voted in one Tory MP to the Scottish parliament. So how exactly does a Tory prime minister have the right to tell us when we are going to have our own referendum, or to set the rules for what it will say?

lol what? The British government has most certainly not said that Scotland cannot go independent if the referendum gets a large enough majority in favour of independence.

Did I say that? Link to where I said that please. I said they were obstructing the referendum and opposing independence, not that they would disagree with the results of the referendum. In fact they did effectively try to obstruct independence itself, since they tried to claim that any referendum result supporting secession would be illegal.

They have just said that the referendum has to be yay or nay - not any of this crap with DevoMax

1. The SNP does not want devo-max, it wants independence.
2. You say that as if its a perfectly reasonable thing to do. The majority of Scots are in support of DevoMax according to polls, why should we be denied the choice to have it? The main issue for most people is that they don't want to leave the UK system with passports and whatnot, so DevoMax is in fact the most intelligent solution.

and some stuff about the date it should be held

They want to hold it as soon as possible, before the cuts kick in and the economy fails even more, so that it will be less likely to pass. Is that the actions of a cooperative 'the Scottish people can make decisions about their own country'-oriented government?

as well as stopping Salmond from letting 16 and 17 year olds vote just because he knows he wont have enough support otherwise.

Forbidding 16 and 17 year olds from voting just because they know that it will not have enough support otherwise. The problem with claiming Salmond is doing all he can to make the referendum pass is any attempt to stop him is just as biased as the Nationalists.

Since its a decision that effect the whole of the UK I hardly see these things as problems.

What on earth kind of an argument is that? It had a pretty bad effect on the UK economy when the thirteen colonies or Hong Kong or Australia left us, does that mean we shouldn't have let them leave the Empire?

[Vanoi]

I don't know whether or not you are mistaken, because that's the whole point of the referendum. Nobody knows whether the majority of pepole want independence. Which is why the British government's actions are deplorable: we voted for the SNP which means at the very least we supported an independence referendum, since that is their flagship policy. We also only voted in one Tory MP to the Scottish parliament. So how exactly does a Tory prime minister have the right to tell us when we are going to have our own referendum, or to set the rules for what it will say?

It was either in this therad or another, but someone posted two polls on whenever or not Scotland should have its independence. On both polls only about 30-38% said they want to see Scotland free while a good 50-57% said no.

[Azog 150]

Did I say that? Link to where I said that please. I said they were obstructing the referendum and opposing independence, not that they would disagree with the results of the referendum. In fact they did effectively try to obstruct independence itself, since they tried to claim that any referendum result supporting secession would be illegal.

I really don't see how the referendum is being obstructed. All that Westminster has said is that it should be held sooner rather then later and that it should go through all the proper legal proceedings so it is 100% legit and there is no issues with the outcome (Whatever that may be). In fact that sounds like the complete opposite of obstructing the referendum, more like helping it along.

[General Brittanicus]

Did I say that? Link to where I said that please. I said they were obstructing the referendum and opposing independence, not that they would disagree with the results of the referendum. In fact they did effectively try to obstruct independence itself, since they tried to claim that any referendum result supporting secession would be illegal.

You replied to this post:

"If the people of Northern Ireland want to join the republic, then they will be allowed to by the UK government."

By saying "So you would think, but current events seem to be proving otherwise". If they manage to get a referendum passed then NI can go independent and the British government wont stop them - same with Scotland. Westminster being opposed to Scottish independence is not the same as them refusing to recognise the result of a referendum.

1. The SNP does not want devo-max, it wants independence.
2. You say that as if its a perfectly reasonable thing to do. The majority of Scots are in support of DevoMax according to polls, why should we be denied the choice to have it? The main issue for most people is that they don't want to leave the UK system with passports and whatnot, so DevoMax is in fact the most intelligent solution.

If the SNP doesn't want DevoMax then don't include it in the referendum. The way I see it is you either want to remain within the union or you want to leave - no middle ground. Also England is denied a referendum on Scottish independence - why should we be denied that choice? I imagine our questions both shar the same answer.

They want to hold it as soon as possible, before the cuts kick in and the economy fails even more, so that it will be less likely to pass. Is that the actions of a cooperative 'the Scottish people can make decisions about their own country'-oriented government?

If the people of Scotland truly want independence then the timing of the referendum should be irrelevant. Getting it out of the way as soon as possible seems like a rather sensible decision to me.

Forbidding 16 and 17 year olds from voting just because they know that it will not have enough support otherwise. The problem with claiming Salmond is doing all he can to make the referendum pass is any attempt to stop him is just as biased as the Nationalists.

The voting age is 18 for a good reason - I dont want stupid kids to have a say in the way the country is run, in fact i would raise the voting age to 20 or higher if i has the choice. And how is it biased to claim Salmond is doing everything he can to get the referendum to pass - thats obviously what he is doing - there would be no other reason to lower the voting age.

What on earth kind of an argument is that? It had a pretty bad effect on the UK economy when the thirteen colonies or Hong Kong or Australia left us, does that mean we shouldn't have let them leave the Empire?

Firstly Hong Kong leaving barely had an effect on the economy and nor did the independence of Australia since they had already been virtually independent anyway a long time before it actually happened. Secondly if anything i would have thought the freedom of the thirteen colonies would have been beneficial to the economy in the long term considering how much it cost to run. And thirdly Scottish independence will actually have an effect on us - especially if they mess it up - i dont want to have to deal with another ROI being situated right next to us, so again i see no problem with David Cameron making sure the referendum is done correctly and legally.

[John ''True Grit'' Wayne]

We do want them to join.They are Irish after all.Or maybe they do not reside on the island of EIRE.We just do not want to kill or bomb anybody to get the north.The IRA and the Shinners have not given up there struggle.They are extremist but are doing things in a more political way.Look at the Shinners they are getting more votes in every election and are creeping up.

[General Brittanicus]

Is it in the next time possible that whole Ireland become free, although the IRA made a truce?

The whole of Ireland is already free. We do not force Northern Ireland to remain a part of the UK.

We do want them to join.They are Irish after all.Or maybe they do not reside on the island of EIRE.We just do not want to kill or bomb anybody to get the north.

You may want them to join, but until ROI and the rest of europe for that matter sorts out its economic problems i don't think you will be able to incorporate such a huge financial black hole into your country at this moment in time. I have no problem with them joining ROI, but I just dont think you'd be able to handle it at this moment in time.

[KnightsTemplar]

We do want them to join.They are Irish after all.Or maybe they do not reside on the island of EIRE.We just do not want to kill or bomb anybody to get the north.The IRA and the Shinners have not given up there struggle.They are extremist but are doing things in a more political way.Look at the Shinners they are getting more votes in every election and are creeping up.

Ahh NICE.
WE DO WANT THEM.

I don't want to inflict the 'personal insult' thing again, but, well, you have it wrong.

People are people. They are not your pets. They are not your slaves.
What say do you have in others' matters? So the goddamn 'bloodline' and 'place' ?
Even they were thae same 'race' and live on the same island, if they don't want to join you,
Then there is NOTHING you can do.

What is your claim to them if they want to stay with the UK?
If they don't want you, and you WANT them anyways, how different are you to the 'imperial' UK?

/off topic and rant

[John ''True Grit'' Wayne]

Ahh NICE.
WE DO WANT THEM.

I don't want to inflict the 'personal insult' thing again, but, well, you have it wrong.

How do you know..Remember the Ira bombing campaign was that for the lulz or freedom.Was Bobby Sands fighting for freedom from occupation or was he just on some kind of crazy diet

People are people. They are not your pets. They are not your slaves.
What say do you have in others' matters? So the goddamn 'bloodline' and 'place' ?

Thats right they are not any of those things.But many people in the north see the british army as a occupying force and feel the queen is a foreign monarch.Dont act like every person in N Eire wants to be british.

Even they were thae same 'race' and live on the same island, if they don't want to join you,
Then there is NOTHING you can do.

I am saying if they want to join they can.And we will welcome them as our Irish brothers.
Its MY island dood i live on this big rock..Its my ing race..And for your info there are alot of catholic people that want to be free from british rule.Just like we got our freedom in the south some wish to do so in the north...If the majority want to be British then so be it.I do not agree with killing innocent people over it.

The IRA has disbanded, the only tenuous link left to them is the Real Irish Republican Army or RIRA (though most view them as little more than criminals),

There is still problems in the north.And the Shinners still exist with Gerry Adams as leader.

What I mean is, how are they not already 'free'?

Some of the people want to be free from British rule and identify themselves with the south and not England.We have had many battles over this freedom.Some feel occupied therefore not free.Thats how some catholic communities feel.They saw the cops as a protestant inforcement force.Catholics and Protestants had paramilitarys killing each other.Some People in the north like the south want to rule there own land.And we ed that up and we are owned by the IMF LOL it did not take us long.
I do think myself that Scots Irish English and Welsh are all the same dna and vry similiar culture we support the same football teams like the same music and food and watch the same soaps.Whenever i go away i get called english.Most europeans do not even know the small ways we are differant.

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The Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA) is an Irish republican paramilitary organisation whose aim was to remove Northern Ireland from the United Kingdom and bring about a socialist republic within a united Ireland by force of arms and political persuasion.[5] It emerged out of the December 1969 split of the Irish Republican Army over differences of ideology and how to respond to violence against the nationalist community. This violence had followed the community's demands for civil rights in 1968 and 1969, which met with resistance from some of the unionist community and from the authorities, and culminated in the 1969 Northern Ireland riots.[6] The Provisional Irish Republican Army is also referred to as the PIRA, the Provos, or by its supporters as the Army or the 'RA;[7] its constitution establishes it as Óglaigh na hÉireann ("The Irish Volunteers") in the Irish language.[8]
The IRA conducted an armed campaign, primarily in Northern Ireland but also in England and mainland Europe, over the course of which it was responsible for the deaths of approximately 1,800 people. The dead included around 1,100 members of the British security forces, and about 630 civilians.[9][10] The IRA itself lost 275–300 members,[11] of an estimated 10,000 total over the thirty-year period.[1]
The IRA's initial strategy was to use force to cause the collapse of the Northern Ireland administration and to inflict enough casualties on the British forces that the British government would be forced by public opinion to withdraw from the region.[12] This policy involved recruitment of volunteers, increasing after Bloody Sunday, and launching attacks against British military and economic targets.[13][14] The campaign was supported by arms and funding from Libya[15] and from some groups in the United States.[16][17] The IRA agreed to a ceasefire in February 1975, which lasted nearly a year[18] before the IRA concluded that the British were drawing them into politics without offering any guarantees in relation to the IRA's goals, and hopes of a quick victory receded.[19] As a result, the IRA launched a new strategy known as "the Long War". This saw them conduct a war of attrition against the British and increase emphasis on political activity, via the political party Sinn Féin.[20]
The success of the 1981 Irish hunger strike in mobilising support and winning elections led to the Armalite and ballot box strategy with more time and resources devoted to political activity. The abortive attempt at an escalation of the military part of that strategy led republican leaders increasingly to look for a political compromise to end the conflict, with a broadening dissociation of Sinn Féin from the IRA. Following negotiations with the SDLP and secret talks with British civil servants, the IRA ultimately called a ceasefire in 1994 on the understanding that Sinn Féin would be included in political talks for a settlement.[citation needed] When the British government then demanded the disarmament of the IRA before it allowed Sinn Féin into multiparty talks, the organisation called off its ceasefire in February 1996. Until July 1997, the IRA carried out several bombing and shooting attacks. These included the Docklands bombing and the Manchester bombing, which together killed 2 civilians, injured 212 more and caused around £500 million in damage.[21][22] After the ceasefire was reinstated, Sinn Féin was admitted into all-party talks, which produced the Belfast Agreement of 1998.
On 28 July 2005, the IRA Army Council announced an end to its armed campaign, stating that it would work to achieve its aims using "purely political and democratic programmes through exclusively peaceful means",[23] and shortly afterwards completed decommissioning. In September 2008, the nineteenth report of the Independent Monitoring Commission stated that the IRA was "committed to the political path" and no longer represented "a threat to peace or to democratic politics", and that the IRA's Army Council was "no longer operational or functional".[24][25] The organisation remains classified as a proscribed terrorist group in the UK and as an illegal organisation in the Republic of Ireland.[26][27] Two small groups split from the Provisional IRA, first in 1986 (Continuity IRA) and then in 1997 (Real IRA). Both reject the Belfast Agreement and continue to engage in direct paramilitary action.

[Darkhorse]

Thats right they are not any of those things.But many people in the north see the british army as a occupying force and feel the queen is a foreign monarch.Dont act like every person in N Eire wants to be british.

Absolutely false.

Firstly, ANY British deployment in N. Ireland is NOT an occupation, the British own the land, therefore they are moving troops within their borders, which goes on in the mainland as well. People in Kent do not think that British soldiers are occupying them because they are on deployment from Catterick. Secondly, the proportion of people living in N. Ireland who are of this view are of the absolute minority. If they don't like it they are free to move to S. Ireland, just as people in S. Ireland who would like to be part of the union (an opinion which does exist) are free to do the opposite. Thirdly, I spend many months a year in N Ireland, and your consensus is far from the general view.

In addition, I often travel to S. Ireland, and in no way am I, as a mainland Brit, seen as a someone who places my British army size 12's into peoples eyes, Please refrain from calling us shiners - how'd you feel if I started calling you paddy eh?

You are almost as bad as Choki and his pirate thing.

I am saying if they want to join they can.And we will welcome them as our Irish brothers.
Its MY island dood i live on this big rock..Its my ing race..

Problem with that statement is that the North is NOT your island and are not your ing race Credit where its due though, at least you recognise others opinions.

I do think myself that Scots Irish English and Welsh are all the same dna and vry similiar culture we support the same football teams like the same music and food and watch the same soaps.Whenever i go away i get called english.Most europeans do not even know the small ways we are differant.

Could you tell a Czech from a Slovak?

[KnightsTemplar]

How do you know..Remember the Ira bombing campaign was that for the lulz or freedom.Was Bobby Sands fighting for freedom from occupation or was he just on some kind of crazy diet

Thats right they are not any of those things.But many people in the north see the british army as a occupying force and feel the queen is a foreign monarch.Dont act like every person in N Eire wants to be british.

I am saying if they want to join they can.And we will welcome them as our Irish brothers.
Its MY island dood i live on this big rock..Its my ing race..And for your info there are alot of catholic people that want to be free from british rule.Just like we got our freedom in the south some wish to do so in the north...If the majority want to be British then so be it.I do not agree with killing innocent people over it.

There is still problems in the north.And the Shinners still exist with Gerry Adams as leader.


Some of the people want to be free from British rule and identify themselves with the south and not England.We have had many battles over this freedom.Some feel occupied therefore not free.Thats how some catholic communities feel.They saw the cops as a protestant inforcement force.Catholics and Protestants had paramilitarys killing each other.Some People in the north like the south want to rule there own land.And we ed that up and we are owned by the IMF LOL it did not take us long.
I do think myself that Scots Irish English and Welsh are all the same dna and vry similiar culture we support the same football teams like the same music and food and watch the same soaps.Whenever i go away i get called english.Most europeans do not even know the small ways we are differant.

http://www.ark.ac.uk/nilt/2009/Polit.../NIRELND2.html
Make use of Google and analyse, before the NATIONALIST IRRATIONAL think.

Democratic 'freedom' society: vote and show your preference.
21% call for reunite- but 18% call for DIRECT RULE of the UK.
And 51% want to remain as they were- develop their place and stay in the UK.
Amusingly 80% of you 'Southern' Irish call for 'reunite'.

And the IRA killed a lot of people- probably on par with the 'imperial British', and your are killing your own kin.
To one point that the local Northern Irish even formed their own paramilitary unit to fight back. It's illegal even to the British, but everyone get the point.

It is not the same thing, and all these 'race reunite' thing is just not right- especially from what I saw everyday.

[John ''True Grit'' Wayne]

Make use of Google and analyse, before the NATIONALIST IRRATIONAL think.

I am not a nationalist i am mearly saying if they ever do want to join i welcome them.And that some people in the north do want to be free from british rule.And some do.

Democratic 'freedom' society: vote and show your preference.
21% call for reunite- but 18% call for DIRECT RULE of the UK.
And 51% want to remain as they were- develop their place and stay in the UK.
Amusingly 80% of you 'Southern' Irish call for 'reunite'.

Yes and the title of the thread is do the ira resign the north and i am saying no they have not and some communities see the soldiers there as a occupying force.And some do.And many in the south do also.

And the IRA killed a lot of people- probably on par with the 'imperial British', and your are killing your own kin.

The british have been killing on every continant and you say the IRA have killed more.

To one point that the local Northern Irish even formed their own paramilitary unit to fight back. It's illegal even to the British, but everyone get the point.

The uvf were murderers same as the IRA.I do not support the Ira i am just giving there view on this.That does not reflect my view.I have not advocated killing anybody.I am answering the OP question and i have done so.

The majority of Northerners are content living in the current system, as a result of the IRA's actions. How would you feel if Northerners kept nipping over the border and harrassing and killing people in the south and in Dublin,

Have you heard of the Dublin and Monaghan bombings.Many died on both sides.Its a shame.

[hellheaven1987]

Northern Ireland is a great example how Israel should do to Palestine - forced colonization and then pretend it is your land.

[Azog 150]

Is it in the next time possible that whole Ireland become free, although the IRA made a truce?

In the same manner that Scotland (A much more integral part of the Union) is receiving a referendum on independence, so too would Northern Ireland if that is what its devolved assembly would decide.

Right now I don't think unification of Ireland is high on anyone's list of priorities (North or South) with the South being in such a financial state and unable to deal with such a burden as the North.

[Greek Firethrower]

In the same manner that Scotland (A much more integral part of the Union) is receiving a referendum on independence, so too would Northern Ireland if that is what its devolved assembly would decide.

In Scotland exist a few people they want to be free.
In Northern Ireland exist a lot of people they want to be free, too.
But in my oppinion they fear a new struggle. They want to forget this cruel times.