Well Regulated Militia

[Rapax]

Thread Split from the Best Military presently.

Gun Control and the "Well Regulated Militia" in the United States.
- tBP


Right, I forgot the well trained american militia.

[Removed_user_012521]

Right, I forgot the well trained american militia.

Is that suppose to make them look bad?


They have cammo.

They have good weapons.

They know how to use them.


Better trained than any other gun-holding population.

[Rapax]

Is that suppose to make them look bad?

It's supposed to show my disdain for a concept like that.
I can see where americas love for owning a gun for self protection comes from but in our day and age I find the concept ridiculous of a couple of guys dressing up in camo, bringing out their assortment of rifles and then playing war, of course not without beer breaks. And then they call that whole thing militia, as if someone actually needed them to protect the US against invaders or even better, protect themselves against the evil government should the need arise. (that was the idea in the constitution, no?)
My opinion is that the defense of a country is the job of the army, not some rag tag group of gun lovers.

[Holger Danske]

Is that suppose to make them look bad?


They have cammo.

They have good weapons.

They know how to use them.


Better trained than any other gun-holding population.

They are a joke and I cannot understand how you americans aren't embarresed by still having these gun crazy newbs.. They wouldn't stand any chance against an orginised aggressor... but since they are so.... ''good'' you just might wanna sent them to Iraq, because you troops aren't winning the war down there...

[Erik]

Better trained than any other gun-holding population.

Better than Iraqs?

[Hub'ite]

Better than Iraqs?

Probably. They grew up shooting guns, the Iraqis aren't even trained that well.

[danzig]

Better than Iraqs?

Not sure you'd want to find out Remember Saddam kept a tight control on things so the only ones who would be 'well trained' and familiar with guns would in fact be military types since I doubt he tolerated a bunch of kurd militia types running around with assault weapons that were outside the military. Besides as we've seen in Iraq their talent lies in IED and car bombs not in fire fights something they found out rather quickly and abandoned as a major tactic.

[Erik]

Not sure you'd want to find out Remember Saddam kept a tight control on things so the only ones who would be 'well trained' and familiar with guns would in fact be military types since I doubt he tolerated a bunch of kurd militia types running around with assault weapons that were outside the military.

There were several Kurdish millitias active in Iraq during Saddams regime.
They fought on Irans side during the Iraq-Iran war, and they had combined actions with the PKK.

Besides as we've seen in Iraq their talent lies in IED and car bombs not in fire fights something they found out rather quickly and abandoned as a major tactic.

The American constitution talks about bearing "arms", but can't those "arms" also include IED's?

I think the American militias have the wrong tactic and the wrong weapons, if they truely plan to fight against the American government in case they turn fascist/communist/whatever.
I don't care how "kewl" their guns are, there is NO WAY they can beat the American army with rifles.

For the record, I bleive the second ammendment gives me the right to own a gun SO THAT there can be a militia of armed citizens. I do NOT beleive that the 2nd gives me the right to be in a militia so that I can own a gun.

I think your mistaking.
Read it carefully: I think it's about the militias being necessary SO they must also be able to arm themselves.

[danzig]

The American constitution talks about bearing "arms", but can't those "arms" also include IED's?

I think the American militias have the wrong tactic and the wrong weapons, if they truely plan to fight against the American government in case they turn fascist/communist/whatever.
I don't care how "kewl" their guns are, there is NO WAY they can beat the American army with rifles.

No the same reason americans cant go out and by a fully armed battle tank and drive around the city in it, things like explosives are covered by other laws and *generally* illegal. Of course you cant beat the US military with rifles but really that doesnt matter because the right to own firearms is a protected right so unless going to change that the fact their effectiveness against a modern day army is moot.

[Sétanta]

I personally believe that the US Military Personal would join the Militia "Uprising" if the government became fascist/communist/etc. or at least a good deal of it.

[Farnan]

Better than Iraqs?

For exmilitary Americans, yes.

For non-exmilitary/Police Americans, the training is exactly the same, nil.

To LastRoman: Not everyone has to own a gun, but I think it is my right as an American to own one, or many. I only own one gun (a around 70-year old Winchester model 1894), but my dad has around 10-11. Why may you ask? Well he owns different gauges of shotguns for hunting, and a variety of rifles for the same reason. Also, some guns are old that he no longer uses because he replaced them.

[Last Roman]

the American "militia" is hardly a reliable military force. They are just a bunch of paranoid gun-crazy hicks who for some reason, see the need to have 10 different kinds of machine guns with armor piercing bullets. The idea of the militia is outdated and unnecessary.

That said, I'm not against a person owning a gun (handgun or rifle) to protect their family but these people are just plain crazy.

[Removed_user_012521]

the American "militia" is hardly a reliable military force. They are just a bunch of paranoid gun-crazy hicks who for some reason, see the need to have 10 different kinds of machine guns with armor piercing bullets. The idea of the militia is outdated and unnecessary.

The American Militia is the National Gaurd. The people in the picture are not part of the Miltia, rather they are people who find shooting weapons a fun and enjoyable experience. I can't say I blame them.


What is so damed wrong with owning weapons? Because they kill people? I doubt any one of those guys in the picture have killed someone outside of military service. No one kills someone with an M-60 or vintage WW2 rifle. The majority gun homocides are commited theives and muggers with little 9mm pistols.

[Holger Danske]

The American Militia is the National Gaurd. The people in the picture are not part of the Miltia, rather they are people who find shooting weapons a fun and enjoyable experience. I can't say I blame them.


What is so damed wrong with owning weapons? Because they kill people? I doubt any one of those guys in the picture have killed someone outside of military service. No one kills someone with an M-60 or vintage WW2 rifle. The majority gun homocides are commited theives and muggers with little 9mm pistols.

There is nothing wrong with owning a hunting rifle, if you are a hunter. Maybe a small arm. But seriously, an M-60 or even a minigun is outright insane. I can't understand how a society can give its citizen access to military assult rifles, hell even tanks. Its insane, thats whats wrong!

[Carach]

There is nothing wrong with owning a hunting rifle, if you are a hunter. Maybe a small arm. But seriously, an M-60 or even a minigun is outright insane. I can't understand how a society can give its citizen access to military assult rifles, hell even tanks. Its insane, thats whats wrong!

does it matter? as long as they dont turn it on innocents its ok.

i wouldnt mind owning a proper weapon, so i can fight the french when they invade now they have naval superiority in numbers over the royal navy

what i do despise though is people going about (and this seems to be an american passtime) hunting animals for a laugh, shooting animals to try to show how cool they are?

i dont mind them hunting for food, but just for a game disgusts me.
but this isnt the place for that discussion heh

[Holger Danske]

does it matter? as long as they dont turn it on innocents its ok.

i wouldnt mind owning a proper weapon, so i can fight the french when they invade now they have naval superiority in numbers over the royal navy

Well given the fact that there are extremely many people being killed by firearms in the US compared to the rest of the world, yes, it does matter! And why should the civilians have access to military hardware? Join the friggin army if you love guns!

[Carach]

Well given the fact that there are extremely many people being killed by firearms in the US compared to the rest of the world, yes, it does matter! And why should the civilians have access to military hardware? Join the friggin army if you love guns!

well thats america for you, doesnt have strict enough gun laws. we all know that. But its part of the constitution.

[Lasher]

Well given the fact that there are extremely many people being killed by firearms in the US compared to the rest of the world, yes, it does matter! And why should the civilians have access to military hardware? Join the friggin army if you love guns!

Most guns that are involved in murders are not obtained legally.

[carl-the-conqueror]

i wouldnt mind owning a proper weapon, so i can fight the french when they invade now they have naval superiority in numbers over the royal navy

i can hardly imagine the french invading britain

americaa dont need a militia, militia wasonly need in times where they would hold the enemy off untill the army arrive nowadays that would be about 20 minutes

[Last Roman]

The American Militia is the National Gaurd. The people in the picture are not part of the Miltia, rather they are people who find shooting weapons a fun and enjoyable experience. I can't say I blame them.


What is so damed wrong with owning weapons? Because they kill people? I doubt any one of those guys in the picture have killed someone outside of military service. No one kills someone with an M-60 or vintage WW2 rifle. The majority gun homocides are commited theives and muggers with little 9mm pistols.

I was talking about something else and you know that. And the national guard isn't really a militia. It is a government defense force filled by people who are in the military. A militia is a civilian force. And you conveniently left out the part where I said I don't mind if people have guns as long as they don't go overboard.