CSUR - Complete Sicilian Unit Roster

**Hrobatos** · January 10, 2012, 12:18 PM

Very nice! you have improved greatly from your first roster!
+ rep

**Hesus de bodemloze** · January 10, 2012, 01:11 PM

Nice units.

**Wallachian** · January 10, 2012, 04:25 PM

Just one question, i noticed that the planned aragonese and angevin rosters have the timeline 1302 - 1400/1450. Initially you only had CSUR from 1150 to 1400. Does this mean you have extended the timeline to 1450?

**y2day** · January 10, 2012, 07:49 PM

Great work as always Mr.Crow! Very impressive sir.

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**Officerpuppy** · January 10, 2012, 09:40 PM

Maybe the Papal States next.....

**+Mr.Crow+** · January 11, 2012, 12:09 AM

Thx to all for the support!...i'm really happy that you like it!

Originally Posted by Officerpuppy

Maybe the Papal States next.....

Papal State?...mmmm...it doesn't inspire me...sorry

Originally Posted by Wallachian

Just one question, i noticed that the planned aragonese and angevin rosters have the timeline 1302 - 1400/1450. Initially you only had CSUR from 1150 to 1400. Does this mean you have extended the timeline to 1450?

Yes, maybe i will continue the roster also for 1400-1500

**Wallachian** · January 14, 2012, 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by +Mr.Crow+

Yes, maybe i will continue the roster also for 1400-1500

Oh very nice, i sure hope you will

The quality of your units is great so it would be a pity not to have it all the way up to 1500, especially with the great changes in arms and armour that would happen in that period. Are we going to see some condotiere perhaps?

Do the units have upgrades? Or are there no upgrades because of the dynastic changes?

**+Mr.Crow+** · January 15, 2012, 04:41 AM

Originally Posted by codix105

Awesome Units!!!!

Originally Posted by Wallachian

The quality of your units is great

thx friends

Originally Posted by Wallachian

Are we going to see some condotiere perhaps?

The "Condottieri" or "Capitani di Ventura" belong more to the italian city-state history...so they are typical of north italy and papacy and my roster regards just south italian army...

Originally Posted by Wallachian

Do the units have upgrades? Or are there no upgrades because of the dynastic changes?

there are no upgrades cause swift dynastic changes

**Zames** · January 15, 2012, 07:23 AM

Originally Posted by +Mr.Crow+

The "Condottieri" or "Capitani di Ventura" belong more to the italian city-state history...so they are typical of north italy and papacy and my roster regards just south italian army...

I agree, even if also in Southern Italy we can find late mercenary companies, but in limited ways.
And if I can tell, just make a unit called "Condotta", "Condottieri", "Compagnia di Ventura" etc. is too limited to represent the great famous mercenary companies, also because they were not equal between them and they weren't only Italian ones (for example the great White Company, or the Catalans).

Off topic: I think that also a generic italian roster pack (from XIth to XVth century) could help a lot the modding community, because sadly I see that Italy isn't militarly well represented in many mods, neither in geographical-political terms: just an example from a famous mod, SS.
In SS in early era we see Genoa with Pisa in its dominions...but why? Pisa wasn't never conquered or occupied by Genoese, and the war between these cities lasts 200 years (until 1284)! And Pisa was really a great important State, and in medieval mods really I don't understand why if there's Genoa, there isn't Pisa and viceversa: if there's one of the two, it needs the other.
Sorry for the off-topic, I just wanted to say these things, and also that maybe (really maybe) if I'll have time and skills to do it, I'll work on a roster pack for the rest of Italy.

End off topic, enjoy CSUR!

**Wallachian** · January 16, 2012, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by +Mr.Crow+

The "Condottieri" or "Capitani di Ventura" belong more to the italian city-state history...so they are typical of north italy and papacy and my roster regards just south italian army...

I see, so the South Italian kingdoms never used the Condottieri. I guess the italian city states didn't have big standing armies so they had to rely more on mercenaries.

Originally Posted by Zames

Off topic: I think that also a generic italian roster pack (from XIth to XVth century) could help a lot the modding community, because sadly I see that Italy isn't militarly well represented in many mods, neither in geographical-political terms: just an example from a famous mod, SS.
In SS in early era we see Genoa with Pisa in its dominions...but why? Pisa wasn't never conquered or occupied by Genoese, and the war between these cities lasts 200 years (until 1284)! And Pisa was really a great important State, and in medieval mods really I don't understand why if there's Genoa, there isn't Pisa and viceversa: if there's one of the two, it needs the other.
Sorry for the off-topic, I just wanted to say these things, and also that maybe (really maybe) if I'll have time and skills to do it, I'll work on a roster pack for the rest of Italy.

End off topic, enjoy CSUR!

A roster pack for the rest of the Italian city states would be very welcome indeed by the rest of the community. So far I would say Rus-Bey is the only one that created new quality units for the italian factions. It's quite dissppointing to see that Italy is generally not well represented seeing as there are quite a few talented italian modders around.

**VINC.XXIII** · January 11, 2012, 05:36 AM

congrats!

I would kidnapp the falce if you allow me

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**+Mr.Crow+** · January 11, 2012, 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by Rus-Bey

I would kidnapp the falce if you allow me

if you mean by "falce" the concergius guard weapon, it is not mine...it's taken by Lord Calidor's weapon pack (i've also write it under the credits)

if you mean by "falce" the contado weapon, i'm sorry but at the moment i can't give it to anyone...

The only 3d model that i can allow to use as resource is the Lucera saracen 3d model...i'm so sorry bro...

**VINC.XXIII** · January 11, 2012, 11:19 AM

falce=falso=false

no problem

**Hengest** · January 11, 2012, 11:22 AM

Dominion of the Sword would love to have permission to use these amazing units! Well done, excellent detail!

**+Mr.Crow+** · January 11, 2012, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by Hross

Dominion of the Sword would love to have permission to use these amazing units! Well done, excellent detail!

ok...i will sand you the invite...and don't forget to read the rules

**mongrel** · January 11, 2012, 06:17 PM

very nice

**DAVIDE** · January 11, 2012, 06:50 PM

Great units here, and i'm not saying this just because i'm actually

ed up by Raboso and Sauvignon red wines

**Ichon** · January 12, 2012, 01:42 PM

I love the units but by the rules there is no longer any Kingdom of Sicily in my mod as it starts in 1390 ruled by Aragon. There is no way to use even the peasants either as they are sooo much better than current ones especially for later eras? (since I can't include 3 other units without a Kingdom of Sicily around in 1390).

**+Mr.Crow+** · January 12, 2012, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by Ichon

I love the units but by the rules there is no longer any Kingdom of Sicily in my mod as it starts in 1390 ruled by Aragon. There is no way to use even the peasants either as they are sooo much better than current ones especially for later eras? (since I can't include 3 other units without a Kingdom of Sicily around in 1390).

how is possible?...your mod starts in 1390 and isn't there the Kingdom of Sicily?...in 1390 it is callled Kingdom of Trinacria but it is still the Kingdom of Sicily (it changes just name, king and loose some territories) and it was still indipendent but ruled by the same king that ruled Aragon...it doesn't mean that Sicily is an Aragon dominion...crowns were divided...

Kingdom of Siciliy had lost its indipendence in 1415, when it was ruled by the first "Vicerè".

BTW, if you use all the base roster as AOR in Sicily Island, you can use paesants where you want...let me know