Second Skin documentary

I tried WoW. It never got to me.

I was feeling sick to my stomach all throughout this crap. What's the appeal, people?
The cheap graphics?
The moronic screenplay?
Why would you find it okay to see an orc working in a tailor shop?

How can these people even expect to grow their children if they're playing 8 to 6 hours a day?
Hilarious.

Originally Posted by Lord of the Drunk Penguin

What's the appeal, people?

You asked the question, and you answered it.

F these guys

Horde 4 life!

(I only played about 4 months when it first came out and haven't played since, but still HORDE 4 LIFE)

Never played Warcraft...But I did play Runescape...:p

arena, pvp, and raids.

All your questions answered right there. Same reasons anyone plays any other game.

If you dont understand this then you probably wouldn't understand:
http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarCra...al_competition

Except most WoW gamers are bad.

I tried WoW but the PVP pissed me off... and thats what i play online games for so i pretty much gave up.

I had to laugh at them but its no different than when me and my friends used to play GoldenEye non stop. Though we were children, and we didnt live together....ok maybe this is a lot worse.

I don't know, but playing WoW and raising children doesn't seem to go hand in hand.

One of the guys in the doc is a dad and when the power went out in some parts of the house, his main concern was to unplug a cable from the bathroom so that he could plug his PC and do a raid.
That's... sad.

I played WoW for 1.5 or 2 years. It's fun. Not because of the gameplay(which is decent enough in raids and PvP), nor the grind(avoided it to the death) or graphics(which was pretty sucky, but the world was pretty enough and it was fun exploring it).

But because of the people you could meet and actually play together(RL friends too. Used to have 3-4 friends playing it + my brother. Great fun when playing and using skype/TS/vent to talk with eachother). When doing a dungeon with a group of people that takes about an hour, you get to talk to those 4 people more than what you usually do in other games. Because of WoW I have 3 people I still play regurarily with or just talk on skype. I haven't played WoW since the fall of 2008. It's filled with idiots. But there are godd people there too. And I also played on an RP server which reduces the amount of morons. In fact, some of the guys I used to play with in WoW I'd gladly play with again. It has the same thing as all MMO's, the massive scale and the community and the content too keep you busy. At the end I only logged on to play or talk with the people I had met.

Of course there's also the sense of improving your character all the time which I liked doing, but nowadays I don't really enjoy it as much. I play cRPG atm, which is Mount&Blade Warband multiplayer except with character progression, I like it because it allows me to customize my own character, but the game itself forces you personally to become better, no matter what level or gear you have(which of course helps in cRPG), but even a level 1 can beat a sucky high level. I prefer skill based, not gear based, games nowadays. Of course there was some skill in WoW aswell, but not as much as M&B.

Regarding parenting and WoW. Our raid guild had a 2 40-ish year olds who had a son that also played WoW. He played in a different raid guild because he didn't want to be fussed by his parent when raiding and he had RL friends in the other raid guild(he was 15-ish).
The parents both had jobs, the son went to school and overall seemed like a very healthy family.

I used to play it quite a lot. 6-8 hours wasn't that unusual(and btw, it still isn't). Whenever I'm at home, I play games. Sometimes more, sometimes less. And my social life isn't lacking in my opinion. I guess the biggest problem was that the raids could go on to 2 AM even when I had school the next day.

Nowadays I don't have the spare money to pay for MMO's. Otherwise I'd instantly join my old raid buddies on Old Republic where a lot of them have set up.


Just some of my musings. WoW is just a game. It isn't crack, or anything like that. People who can't control themselves might go crazy, but that's not WoW's fault. The same can be achieved in every MMO. Or any multiplayer game with any sort of persistance. In cRPG a clan attacked another clans castle on christmas eve, just because they knew the other clan wouldn't be around so they got it for free. And some people play it pretty damn obsessively(including me, Mainly becauseof the clan I joined. Nowadays I play less cRPG with them and more other games, but still.) I think I have 1500 hours in M&B and 90% is cRPG, quite a lot of that time is me just having M&B on, though. I had a lot of time to play last year because I didn't get to uni. Didn't have time to study in the army.

Originally Posted by Lord of the Drunk Penguin

I don't know, but playing WoW and raising children doesn't seem to go hand in hand.
One of the guys in the doc is a dad and when the power went out in some parts of the house, his main concern was to unplug a cable from the bathroom so that he could plug his PC and do a raid.
That's... sad.

The power went out? If it's not just a socket(or whatever they're called) then I'd probably do the raid too, because I can't fix it myself, would have to get someone to fix it later. And as long as the food or child won't suffer for it, then why not. And raids are usually at set times about 1-4 times a week, so missing one means that you might not get to do some of the most fun parts of the game for a week and usually you're playing with other people and there's also a sign up system to see which people can make it, so if you suddenly back down, the other people might be one guy short and if you're the main tank or something, that might have an impact on how well they do. Of course, that specific person might be an addict, but every dad that plays WoW isn't a bloody addict, that's for sure. A game with an 11 million people playerbase is bound to have a ton of people who play it obsessively.

Played a Dwarf Priest. Some hectic times in raids when you see the main tank at 1-5% for 2-3 minutes knowing that if you stop healing, then he dies and then everyone dies.

Oh please, spare me the BS.

The way that game is made, it's designed to make you waste your time hunting for precious trinkets (unreal, virtual pixels) that some idiots even give real money to have.
I used to play Rome total War for days, but at least that game made me feel like AN EMPEROR not a goddamned satyr in the middle of the woods, looking for jewels or an upgraded sword.

Originally Posted by Lord of the Drunk Penguin

The way that game is made, it's designed to make you waste your time hunting for precious trinkets (unreal, virtual pixels) that some idiots even give real money to have.

This goes for any game, not exclusively MMO's. Call of Duty's levelling system is no different, for example. I've played WoW in an active raidguild and cleared all content on normal and heroic difficulty, 10 and 25 man, from vanilla WoW up to the final patch of WotLK before Cataclysm went live, spending no more than two evenings a week on truly playing. Is that so timeconsuming? Our guild was full of parents and people with jobs and we cleared more content than most avid WoW junkies did who played all day.

It's all a matter of how efficient you are with your time and dedication. I know people who used to be online 16 hours a day and had nothing to show for it, and people who played those same 16 hours over an entire week and had four decked out max level chars.

Originally Posted by The Dude

This goes for any game, not exclusively MMO's. Call of Duty's levelling system is no different, for example. I've played WoW in an active raidguild and cleared all content on normal and heroic difficulty, 10 and 25 man, from vanilla WoW up to the final patch of WotLK before Cataclysm went live, spending no more than two evenings a week on truly playing. Is that so timeconsuming? Our guild was full of parents and people with jobs and we cleared more content than most avid WoW junkies did who played all day.

It's all a matter of how efficient you are with your time and dedication. I know people who used to be online 16 hours a day and had nothing to show for it, and people who played those same 16 hours over an entire week and had four decked out max level chars.

Well said.

For most of my WoW time I was in a hardcore raiding guild, so it was pretty much 5 nights a week raiding well into the night. We only ever spent that entire 5 night raiding week during new content release as we had to learn the fights and rush to clear it and start regular clearing of the raid. After that we generally spent 3 to 2 nights to clear an entire raid. Some people in this guild were parents and only played during raid time, others were on all the time doing other things when not raiding. I simply logged on to make my gold for the raid and raid.

Its all about the proper use of your time. Do things properley and you can be max level and geared up in a short space of time. Fart around and you've got nothing to show for it other than a long /played time.

Originally Posted by Lord of the Drunk Penguin

Oh please, spare me the BS.

The way that game is made, it's designed to make you waste your time hunting for precious trinkets (unreal, virtual pixels) that some idiots even give real money to have.
I used to play Rome total War for days, but at least that game made me feel like AN EMPEROR not a goddamned satyr in the middle of the woods, looking for jewels or an upgraded sword.

I love how you're doing the exact same thing but still bashing it. If Second Skin was about RTW, how would you react then? It's called addiction

Originally Posted by Soviet

I love how you're doing the exact same thing but still bashing it. If Second Skin was about RTW, how would you react then? It's called addiction

Correction. I did the same the exact same thing a long time ago.
(and R:TW I didn't played LAN, so it's not quite the exact same bloody thing)

And I'm still feeling it's aftermath.
So if anyone out there should be allowed to bash this, it should be me.

Different strokes for different folks.

I played WoW from release all the way to Cataclysm (where I quit after I cleared the first raid). Along the way I cleared all content pre nerf. Pre Wrath of the Lich King, the PVE was actually difficult and it was fun to see how much and how far you could go. PVP was fun and somewhat skill worthy, if you were a good player it would show. But like someone else said its the people I played with that made the game the most fun. I keep in touch and often see old guild mates. My best memories of gaming are in WoW, raiding with the guild trying to get server firsts as a team. Then after a long hard day of raiding sit in vent with good mates and just mess around PVPing or doing our own thing and just talking crap on vent.

And Penguin the way you describe the game is a bit childish ( no offense I can't think of a better word to put it). Your not in the woods looking for a sword. You level up and gear up playing with other people doing dungeons that are (were) challanging and you felt good after doing one that was difficult. Some people are overley obbsessed with items where for me it was the challange of the game that I loved about it (I play games because they are challenging, not because of the pixel stuff I get out of it).

MMOs is not a genre for everyone. I wouldn't ask someone who plays FPS games to try it out, because im sure they would not like it. I don't see a difference between Rome Total War and WoW, sure they are different types of games but at the end of the day its a form of entertainment, whether you are a "emperor" or a orc warrior.