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    Russia Hands Over Nuke Sub Nerpa to India: Report

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    Published: 30 Dec 2011 10:48






    MOSCOW - Russia has handed over the nuclear-powered attack submarine Nerpa to India following more than two years of delays, a senior naval official was quoted as saying Dec. 30.

    A 2004 file photo shows the Akula-class Vepr Russian nuclear submarine, the same type as the Nerpa sub Russia handed over to India on Dec. 30 following more than two years of delays. (Fred Tanneau / AFP)



    "The signing ceremony happened yesterday at the Bolshoi Kamen ship building facility in the (Far East) Primorye region where the Nerpa is now based," the official in the naval chief of staff told ITAR-TASS.
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    Russian reports said an Indian crew would sail the Akula II class craft to its home base at the end of January after receiving it on a 10-year lease that has angered India's arch-rival Pakistan and resulted in retaliation threats.
    The craft is due to reach its Bay of Bengal base of Visakhapatnam under the Indian flag in February and be commissioned by the navy in March.
    "All of the naval tests and performance checks have been completed," the Russian official said. "The crew will begin making themselves feel at home on board the craft after New Year and start sailing it to India in the latter half of January."
    An unnamed Russian official at the Amur district facility where the Nerpa was built added that the "Indian side is fully satisfied by the volume and quality of the tests" completed on the Nerpa at sea.
    The Nerpa will be the first nuclear-powered submarine to be operated by India in nearly two decades after it decommissioned its last such Soviet-built vessel in 1991.
    India is completing the development of its own Arihant-classnuclear-powered ballistic submarines and the Nerpa's delivery is expected to help crews train for the domestic boat's introduction into service next year.
    The Russian Pacific port ceremony was held on the same day that a shipyard fire engulfed the Northern Fleet's Yekaterinburg nuclear-powered strategic submarine in the Murmansk region on the opposite side of the country.
    The Nerpa had initially been due to be handed over to India in 2009 but experienced various problems during testing. It suffered a mishap during trials in the Sea of Japan in November 2008 that killed 20 sailors when a fire extinguisher released a deadly chemical that was accidentally loaded into the system.
    Media reports said that some of the ship's equipment malfunctioned during testing and that the weapons navigation system did not work to India's specifications.
    The 8,140-ton vessel can fire a range of torpedoes as well as Granat cruise missiles that can be nuclear-tipped. India has promised not to arm the submarine with nuclear-tipped cruise missiles under its obligations to international treaties it adopted after conducting a series of atomic tests in the 1990s.
    But the craft's delivery has still upset Pakistan.
    "Rest assured, there will be no compromise in terms of maintaining the credibility of our deterrence," Pakistan foreign office spokesman Abdul Basit was quoted as saying by The Asian Age newspaper this week.
    The submarine is due to be commissioned as the INS Chakra in India under a2004 agreement that has seen the South Asian giant pay $650 million in construction costs.
    Newspaper reports in India said New Delhi may end up paying as much as $900 million under the terms of the deal. Russia's RIA Novosti news agencies valued the contract at $920 million.
    Russia supplies 70 percent of India's military hardware but New Delhi has been unhappy about delays to arms orders from Moscow and has looked to other suppliers including Israel and the United States in recent years.
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    A really important development regionally for India, the Akula is one of the most potent Nuclear S/M in the world and gives them a distinct advantage over their Pakistani rivals, some would argue even over their Chinese rivals ageing Han class SSN with the Akula being more capable than replacement to the Han, the Shang class SSN.

    The Indians will no doubt be reverse engineering many of the design features that make the Akula such a succesful SSN. These could be incorporated in the upcoming dometically produced SSBN or a future SSN class giving the Indians access to renowned Russian S/M building expertise.

    A bold step for India, and further proof of the rise of the BRIC nations.
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    When i read S/M i thought this was a far more interesting thing.
    I was wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grouchy13 View Post

    The Indians will no doubt be reverse engineering many of the design features that make the Akula such a succesful SSN. These could be incorporated in the upcoming dometically produced SSBN or a future SSN class giving the Indians access to renowned Russian S/M building expertise.
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    The Nerpa had initially been due to be handed over to India in 2009 but experienced various problems during testing. It suffered a mishap during trials in the Sea of Japan in November 2008 that killed 20 sailors when a fire extinguisher released a deadly chemical that was accidentally loaded into the system.
    Media reports said that some of the ship's equipment malfunctioned during testing and that the weapons navigation system did not work to India's specifications.
    probably best to start on this first




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    Big deal. America just sold a of guns to the Saudis. This is just the norm, especially for Russia...
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Illusionist View Post
    Big deal. America just sold a of guns to the Saudis. This is just the norm, especially for Russia...
    dude, its a nuclear submarine. thats pretty extraordinary.




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    Russian nuclear submarines work, most of the time; and are safe, most of the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian View Post
    dude, its a nuclear submarine. thats pretty extraordinary.
    India already had nukes. Nothing has changed. It's just a symbol of your power. As if they'll ever use it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Illusionist View Post
    India already had nukes. Nothing has changed. It's just a symbol of your power. As if they'll ever use it...
    A nuclear sub gives you instant global reach without needing the majority of the support vessels. This isnt a particular problem to Pakistan since its next door. If they fix it up right, a nuclear sub can wave goodbye to a cheering crowd in Bombay one week then pop up off the coast of Argentina a few weeks later and be like "suprise mother ****** how you like me now nah-mean?" Thats pretty cool.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian View Post
    A nuclear sub gives you instant global reach without needing the majority of the support vessels. This isnt a particular problem to Pakistan since its next door. If they fix it up right, a nuclear sub can wave goodbye to a cheering crowd in Bombay one week then pop up off the coast of Argentina a few weeks later and be like "suprise mother ****** how you like me now nah-mean?" Thats pretty cool.
    It is pretty cool, but India would probably get glassed over itself once sits done celebrating that "victory" of theirs. Nuclear weapons are just symbols of power and a waste of money. India has enough nukes to blow a Pakistan sized hole in the Earth, and that is all it needs.

    Quote Originally Posted by grouchy13 View Post
    It means they have achieved a level of technical excellence, maintaining a Nuclear Submarine is very complex and expensive not just any Tom, Dick or Harry can do it the boats themselves are more complex than Space Craft.

    Also this far from the norm, while Russia does export a large amount of the Kilo SSK's around the world this is the first time it has exported a SSN. Bearing in mind fellow BRIC nation Brazil is also looking to secure it's Navy one throughs up other questions as well.

    The fact that the dual Titanium hulled Akula can operate at deeper depths than most other SSN's including the much lauded Virginia and Astute classes also gives the Indians a new tactical capability that none of it's neighbours can match, so yeah no big deal LOL!

    Wow! Maybe India can use its totally orsm submarine in the next commander conquer! Oh wait, that would spoil the fun too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Illusionist View Post
    India already had nukes. Nothing has changed. It's just a symbol of your power. As if they'll ever use it...
    It means they have achieved a level of technical excellence, maintaining a Nuclear Submarine is very complex and expensive not just any Tom, Dick or Harry can do it the boats themselves are more complex than Space Craft.

    Also this far from the norm, while Russia does export a large amount of the Kilo SSK's around the world this is the first time it has exported a SSN. Bearing in mind fellow BRIC nation Brazil is also looking to secure it's Navy one throughs up other questions as well.

    The fact that the dual Titanium hulled Akula can operate at deeper depths than most other SSN's including the much lauded Virginia and Astute classes also gives the Indians a new tactical capability that none of it's neighbours can match, so yeah no big deal LOL!
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Illusionist View Post
    Big deal. America just sold a of guns to the Saudis. This is just the norm, especially for Russia...
    You're comparing conventional firearms to nuclear submarines?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Illusionist View Post
    India already had nukes. Nothing has changed. It's just a symbol of your power. As if they'll ever use it...
    That's exactly what nuclear submarines are: they're a symbol of power and, crucially, power projection. They're the tools that transform regional powers into true global ones and they provide the capacity to strike any country in the world. This is a considerable step up in terms of India's military capabilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jom View Post
    You're comparing conventional firearms to nuclear submarines?


    Well, conventional firearms killed many more people than nuclear subs... I'd rate them as more dangerous...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jom View Post
    You're comparing conventional firearms to nuclear submarines?
    Indeed, conventional firearms are much more likely to be used for their purpose.
    That's exactly what nuclear submarines are: they're a symbol of power and, crucially, power projection. They're the tools that transform regional powers into true global ones and they provide the capacity to strike any country in the world. This is a considerable step up in terms of India's military capabilities.
    Its a good thing for India.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian View Post
    dude, its a nuclear submarine. thats pretty extraordinary.
    I think they already had one in the 90's, that they also leased. And the whole lease thing is just odd. Especially considering the firepower.

    The US has so much nuclear shizz that we turned the USS Florida into an underwater special operations strike platform. Suck it.

    Super Strike, even!


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    I'm with Heinz on this one. When even the fire extinguisher is malfunctioning (and killing people), I wouldn't be so sure that you're getting your money's worth....

    Oh, and who abbreviates submarine as S/M?
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    Having one nuclear submarine is about the same as having one carrier - most of the time it will spend in the docks.
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    India acutally joined the nuclear powered sub club back in 1988, when it ... you know ... aquired a nuclear powered submarine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sphere View Post
    India acutally joined the nuclear powered sub club back in 1988, when it ... you know ... aquired a nuclear powered submarine.

    wait...what did you just say?




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    Launching a nuclear warhead means you have already lost - the question becomes to what degree, and how it compares to your opponent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Condottiere 40K View Post
    Launching a nuclear warhead means you have already lost - the question becomes to what degree, and how it compares to your opponent.
    This.
    What makes a real American? A cowboy hat? Enjoying a fine T-bone
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    working American’s table. There, there! This poor girl is going
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    they need your help! So the next time you buy a car, a piece of adult
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