how many cities in MTW2?

**Sitarus Originalus PM-30+** · May 19, 2006, 03:36 PM

i was thinking.... wondering... howmany cities will be on new map for MTW2...
100 for RTW, 72 (i think) for RTW-BI .... since there will be also america included and middle east, also 21 playable factions... i think more...
tell me what do you think and if you know tell me the number =) thanks

**Shaun** · May 19, 2006, 03:59 PM

Well i have no clue, but it will be up to he player, as they can determine wether a rgion has a city or a castle.

**iKossu** · May 23, 2006, 03:55 AM

Originally Posted by Shaun

it will be up to he player, as they can determine wether a rgion has a city or a castle.

That's true and I think I'll try to maximize the number of cities because they boost the technology development. Btw, they were settlements in RTW...

**Ewan** · May 19, 2006, 04:52 PM

im guessin something similar to Medieval but the new factions get a couple new provinces

**hsimoorb** · May 19, 2006, 05:08 PM

Shaun, I think he means Cities+castles. For all intents and purposes they do the same thing, they're just "specialized", thier number dosen't change, as you can build new ones ect.

I think that CA has said before that the amount of cities as well as the landmass(european) will be very similar to RTW's. The new world will likely have the same city density. Let's just all cross out fingers that the amount of cities can be increased like in RTW, by modders.

**Sitarus Originalus PM-30+** · May 21, 2006, 10:38 AM

yes i mean all cities (also castles) ... does nobody knows howmany cities will be included then? well... howmany would you prefer?

**italiano** · May 23, 2006, 03:01 AM

I don't get why so many people want a ton of cities. It is NOT a good thing for gameplay.

**Chuffy** · May 23, 2006, 04:07 AM

Originally Posted by italiano

I don't get why so many people want a ton of cities. It is NOT a good thing for gameplay.

Not neccessarily.

The main thing that ruined loads of cities in RTW was the fact you had to seige ALL OF THEM.

In MTW sometimes you may not even fight a battle for a province, the enemy could sometimes retreat and give it up. If MTW2 had a system where you won a substantial victory in a province a nearby city would open it's gates to you. Alternatively any city with less than 3 units in is automatically captured. Something like that.

Plus less cities means small armies and a pitiful challenge from the AI.

**hsimoorb** · May 23, 2006, 10:26 AM

I don't get why so many people want a ton of cities. It is NOT a good thing for gameplay.

That's most definately your opinion. Also as chuffy said the effects of more or less cities could be very different from RTW depending on how the gameplay of M2TW is.

**Stalins Ghost** · May 23, 2006, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by italiano

I don't get why so many people want a ton of cities. It is NOT a good thing for gameplay.

It's not great for gameplay, but in my opinion only because they dont code the AI well enough to besiege/defend properly. It is however realistic. People always fail to realise just how many sieges took place in the ancient and medieval world. After reading period texts from both times, you quickly see just how common they were.

**Valus** · May 23, 2006, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by Stalins Ghost

It's not great for gameplay, but in my opinion only because they dont code the AI well enough to besiege/defend properly. It is however realistic. People always fail to realise just how many sieges took place in the ancient and medieval world. After reading period texts from both times, you quickly see just how common they were.

Indeed...
They were by far the most common way of fighting battles during the medieval age, perhaps only being surpassed by shirmishing, as both sides usually wanted to avoid open confrontation...
Which of course means that a well placed castle/keep was far more important than what we might realise today..

**technishn08** · May 23, 2006, 11:52 AM

the correct answer to the original question "How many cities?" is impossible to say. u should of said, how many provinces. you can create cities or castles in this game. but even so, that does sound kind of complicated. I think there would have to be 2 different building tech trees, one for castle, one for city...

**Sitarus Originalus PM-30+** · May 23, 2006, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by technishn08

the correct answer to the original question "How many cities?" is impossible to say. u should of said, how many provinces. you can create cities or castles in this game. but even so, that does sound kind of complicated. I think there would have to be 2 different building tech trees, one for castle, one for city...

good point... i didnt realize back then that this will be a big difference in new TW game. thanks for your reply =)

**Cyrus the Virus** · May 23, 2006, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by Stalins Ghost

It's not great for gameplay, but in my opinion only because they dont code the AI well enough to besiege/defend properly.

Yeah its never like in the trailers. AI (Defenders) actually making resistance.

**Sir Robin** · May 23, 2006, 12:44 PM

Off hand I would guess the number of cities/castles will be the same as RTW.

Personally I figure they have not shown screenshots of the campaign map yet because they do not want to tick us off.

Just my opinion but I doubt we will see any campaign map pics until October.

**hsimoorb** · May 23, 2006, 12:49 PM

As I already said, the number of cities is supposedly going to be the same as in RTW. Look at the .com site, I beleive it's in the developer's notes there.

**~~removeduser_487563287433~~** · May 23, 2006, 10:37 AM

Give us the campaign map! Why do they take so long to show us it! Every time! It is the most exciting thing for me!

**HorseArcher** · May 23, 2006, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by Ferrets54

Give us the campaign map! Why do they take so long to show us it! Every time! It is the most exciting thing for me!

makes you wonder why they don't show us any campaign map shots.......all these battle pictures, I am tired seeing the same shiny knights. And yet, not one single picture of how the campaign map looks like....hmmm, maybe they don't have one yet?

**Spiff** · May 23, 2006, 10:50 AM

Im sure i read from people who had seen the campaign map at E3 that it appeared to be the most unfinished aspect of the game so far.. i guess theyre just waiting until the reality does what they plan justice before they reveal it properly