[Idea] Reunite ancient empire (help Byzantine general to became First Emperor of Reunited Ancient empire! Join today!)

[TheRomanRuler]

I`ve played Third Age Total War kind a lot, and there you could reunire Arnor Kingdom after you conguer certain areas.
I think it would be cool to reunite ancient Roman empire when you play as Byzantines. After you conguered mediterranean areas like Italy, northern africa and greek, you would get new units, banner, name and some buildings. Praetorians and legionaries (with upgared armor of course) and more Roman looking helmets. Sguare shields (more sronger than acient ones, but similar way painted as ancient helmets (or imperial ones)).

I don`t have enough modding skills to do that, but perhaps someone else like to do that?
What you think?

Just clumsy, cuick try, but how bout this kind of banner?

[Gazz]

Would. Be. Awesome.

[Zipzopdippidybopbop]

Been wanting this for ages now; dunno how it could be implemented though =/

[Ferdiad]

Awesome yes. You could use the Kalmar Union Script which would use the free faction slot, you'd have to make room for the New units too in the edu.

[Caesar Clivus]

If you want to play ancient rome, go play Rome:TW

[TheRomanRuler]

Thank you for support people, now its time for work.

Awesome yes. You could use the Kalmar Union Script which would use the free faction slot, you'd have to make room for the New units too in the edu.

Good idea but.. As i said, i lack of modelling skills.. So: Anyone hwo like to help?

If you want to play ancient rome, go play Rome:TW

I don`t want to play with ANCIENT Rome, i just want to resurrect ancient empire of Rome.

[Caesar Clivus]

I don`t want to play with ANCIENT Rome, i just want to resurrect ancient empire of Rome.

What's the difference?

[TheRomanRuler]

What's the difference?

Its upgraded to medieval era, doesent use ancient weapons and so long But still got clearly Roman styled eguipment, just full armor instead of lighter ancient armor.

[Galain_Ironhide]

A very novel idea indeed. It would be interesting to see.

[Ferdiad]

What's the difference?

The Engine.

[TheRomanRuler]

The Engine.

Good point! Medieval 2 engine lags WAY less.

[BURNY26]

Nice idea ,but if you want to get this show on the road and get help ,it is best you do stuff first yourself. And post everything you have done up till now. In that way more people will join you and see you are being serious ,instead of proposing and walking away because it was too hard.

[TheRomanRuler]

Nice idea ,but if you want to get this show on the road and get help ,it is best you do stuff first yourself. And post everything you have done up till now. In that way more people will join you and see you are being serious ,instead of proposing and walking away because it was too hard.

Yes i will, when have time. And i must download programs, doing it know.

[Ferdiad]

Theres a tutorial to port RTW units into M2TW, so if you can do that for 10-15 unit you know have a roster, then stuff like banners needs to be done and the script for the Reunion besides whatever else im missing.

[sirfiggin]

Your idea is nice Roman Ruler but you're missing a simple step; the Byzantine Empire WAS the Roman empire, the empire never fell, social, political and economic factors combined to fragment it in the west, whilst the richer and more politically whole east still survived. The reason it declined in the western half was simply that other groups took over that territory, other kingdoms formed, it would take an infeasible amount of men, money and political capital to hold the old territories let alone restore the empire. The west wasn't ROMAN anymore, by this time the Pax Romana was barely a memory outside of the Church, the last time the East tried to take back the West was under Justinian; after Heraclius the armies of Islam took Syria, Palestine, Africa and Aegyptus from the Romano-Greeks, losses they would struggle indemiably to regain, even during the reign of Basil II the empire just didn't have the manpower to take on the Saracens, let alone the Lombards, Saxons, Goths, and Franks who formed the western successor states.

Also even if this did happen the Romaioi wouldn't go all retrograde just because they got the old empire back; do you think if Britain magically conquered its old Empire back (more unlikely but bare with me) the new state would magically decide to switch back into redcoats and pithe helmets? No. Pithe Helmets are cool, redcoats win the ladies, but they also say "here I am; shoot me!"

If anything, the new Roman Empire would be a political and technical amalgamem of its new territories, Alexius adopted the new heavy cavalry tactics of couched lance after facing the Normans, the Rus were hired and their descendants were trained to fight in pretty much the same way but with better equipment, during the campaigns of Belisarius his main arm were horse archers not mercenary ones either, though he did have hunnic cavalry as well. The point is that the Roman state ALWAYS adapted, ALWAYS adopted the tactics of its enemies and used it against them, the pronaioi system was partially a reaction to feudalism, partially a reaction to diminishing troop quality. In all fairness, at its height (whichever time you choose) the Byzantine army was probably better equipt, better trained and more effective than the army of Marius, the reason being that by this time the Romans weren't facing against comparatively disorganised germanics and celts but professional soldiers with similar tactical abilities, and in the case of the arabs and seljuks and turks.. probably greater ones, not to mention a comparably zealous faith.

Apart from that, I like the idea quite a lot.

[TheRomanRuler]

Your idea is nice Roman Ruler but you're missing a simple step; the Byzantine Empire WAS the Roman empire

Apart from that, I like the idea quite a lot.

I know i know, but it clory WAS gone. They didnt have same spirit to "try again" like during pelopennosian wars. They didnt despise the death like ancient Roman soldiers. They were simply faction like any other.
"I want create new, more time fitting units." (look down) so i create Medieval army, that just is more Roman like (look and basement=heavy inf and cav/archer support)

Theres a tutorial to port RTW units into M2TW, so if you can do that for 10-15 unit you know have a roster, then stuff like banners needs to be done and the script for the Reunion besides whatever else im missing.

I dont want to port units from RTW to Medieval2. I want create new, more time fitting units. It would be silly to see romans with only chest armor, while "barbarians" (not anymore in this period, they were civilised) got full armor

[Autokrator]

I know i know, but it clory WAS gone. They didnt have same spirit to "try again" like during pelopennosian wars. They didnt despise the death like ancient Roman soldiers. They were simply faction like any other.

I have to disagree with that assessment, as I would say that the glory and splendor of ancient Rome was still very much alive in the Medieval Empire- certainly, it wasn't as vibrant as it had been at the height of Imperial power, but it was still there. Roman armies were still filled with brave, disciplined, and even professional (in the form of the Tagmata) troops, and until the 14th century one can hardly accuse the Empire of giving up- it weathered catastrophe after catastrophe, rallied time and again following each and every crises, and stood for centuries longer than the more ancient model was able to.

It survived the barbarian incursions of the 4th and 5th centuries, the collapse of the Western Empire, the plagues and wars during the reign of Justinian I, the Persian invasion of the early 7th century, the Islamic expansion that consumed the Sassanids and reached all the way to France, invasions from countless steppe peoples including the Turks, and even the Fourth Crusade failed to completely kill it. And all of this done while being surrounded by hostile neighbors looking to expand into Imperial territory, and generally with very few allies- most of the Western European nations being either resentful towards or distrustful of the Eastern Empire.

All of this, to me, speaks of a truly indomitable and very Roman spirit- an ability to face and fight challenges and enemies that should have broken them, and did in fact destroy and conquer many other great peoples and states.

[TheRomanRuler]

NOTE THAT i still might give infantry short sword that remind about gladius, but it aint gladius. Same logic with other stuff

[Ferdiad]

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[Ferdiad]

You mention Rome being surrounded by Enemies but i think perhaps the greatest enemy was itself....
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